MiG-29s were used in the A2G role in the wars of the break-up of Yugoslavia too… When you’re in a tight spot you’re not about to start negotiations for new FROGFOOTs – unless you’re Macedonia π
Buddah,
Any information your above quote?
See the quote I posted (and follow the link for more info).
This is from defence-data.com:
The most innovative Serb anti-UAV tactic was the use of helicopters. It appears that the first Hunter of the campaign was lost after the Serbs launched a Mil Mi-8 HIP helicopter to fly alongside the UAV and then a door gunner blasted the air vehicle with a 7.62mm machine gun. This then became a favourite tactic until allied fighters made it rather dangerous.
Link: http://defence-data.com/features/fpage34.htm
Please bear in mind that I have no idea whether this website is reliable or not – I found it simply by typing “allied force uav” into google.
I don’t I’m afraid – I only know what the Abkhazians claimed and that’s freely available on the net (try en.rian.ru).
EDIT: Oops – I thought you were referring to Abkhazian drone shoot-downs… For the Serbian use of helos against drones I do have some info tucked away somewhere but as its on another computer (in another country) you’ll have to give me a bit of time to access it. Again, searching around on the net might turn up something.
Compare RAF fleet to Serbian fleet first.
And population, GDP, recent history (political and economic) and all that stuff… Basically, its a ridiculous comparison.
EDIT: Not to mention that, to make this scenario relevant, you’d have to give the RuAF resources and equipment of a similar level of not just the USAF but the whole of NATO…
Thatβs one massive tail fin on the Yak-130!
Funny, I never noticed that before… Well spotted.
Swerve,
You beat me to it (and in much greater detail). We need more like you on this forum.
I thought the 117 was a useless asset anyway when it was in service? At least thats what many of the zealots here would have liked us to believe from the way they kept saying how useless it was , i guess its only useless when a certain side has the tech, as soon as the other side gets hold of it becomes advanced and important again /sighs/.
This is either a ridiculously fatuous comment or you really have no idea what you’re talking about. Either way it doesn’t exactly show you in a good light. If the Russians really did get a good look at the RAM coating on the F-117 shot down over Yugoslavia then it doesn’t necessarily mean they’re going to copy it. However, when one has a development programme for a certain technology that is largely independent of what the ‘other guy’ is doing and then, unexpectedly gets a chance to see the methods and solutions the ‘other guy’ went for… Well, put it like this, it can hardly hurt. Add to that the fact that 1999 was nine years ago and you can realistically surmise that the potential for the Russian aviation industry to produce a ‘stealth’ aircraft has increased somewhat.
“We are nearing the end of research and development work, and Mikhail [Pogosyan, the head of Sukhoi aircraft maker] confirmed that the first plane will make its maiden flight in late 2008,” Sergei Ivanov said. – it really dosnt get much clearer then that does it… Keep humming the Russian national anthem and waving the flag whilst deniying any delays though if it makes you feel good.
Funny how you are prepared to believe this source when it comes to the date (which neatly suits your argument) but not when it comes to the part that says, “we are nearing the end of research and development work”.
And anyway, I don’t really understand this fascination with delays to the project. Big deal. Every project of this nature is subject to delays, get over it, move on.
It is not like stealth is a secret unknown field for them. And right now with huge processing power I think it is finally has most sence to effectivelly implement those theories.
Not to mention the F-117 RAM coatings since Allied Force :diablo: .
In the same circumstances, near a minor island, & if it behaved in the same way, probably the same reaction. Including the ranting from politicians.
Well, I was principally referring to the reaction by members of this forum but I suppose you’re right Swerve, the diplomatic reaction would also likely be much the same.
Well, not necessarily. Essentially, the technology for it has already been developed, it would just need to be integrated into a new platform. Not easy but hardly bank breaking; and potentially worthwhile if enough customers are interested. In other words, I still don’t think the idea is completely loopy π .
This is serious
Well, it isn’t that serious. But lets face it – the reaction would be drastically different had a Russian plane ‘accidentally’ suffered a ‘navigation failure’ and flown into US airspace. It might be seen as deliberately provocative and potentially dangerous.
Seems to me the Georgians could prove all these claims wrong very easily – by displaying all their drones intact in one place immediately after the Abkhazians claim to have shot one down. Seems a little bit late for that now though.
I just doubt it will appeal to the Russian Military.
Me too. But it might appeal (in it’s light AWACS form) to Iran, Libya, Algeria, Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam, Venezuela, Greece, Kazakhstan, Belarus… There may be others.