Well Tom, I hope you enjoyed the talk. I certainly did.
Greg Baughen revealed the mystery fighter to be the Fairey design to specification F22/33 which called for a nose and dorsal turret. Boulton Paul also produced a design, but neither was built as the spec called for a top speed of around 250mph and then Fairey produced their P4/34 bomber which achieved 300mph, meaning the fighter would be easily outrun by newer technology. The design was canned from a negative held at the FAA Museum.
If anybody thinks the concept a little challenging, an earlier one called for 2 gun stations, both being occupied by pilots. The one who had the best shot would fire while the other one flew. What could possibly go wrong.
It was a most excellent evening; well worth attending. I found it difficult to fault the general sentiment of Mr Baughen’s talk, though I must confess I did think some of his assertions were perhaps a little naïve. I was, however, hugely disappointed at some of the disparaging comments made by certain members of the audience during the q & a. Whilst open debate on such subjects ought to be encouraged, I couldn’t help but think that some of the points raised seemed to show a distinct ignorance of the subject matter and gave me the strong impression that some of those in attendance just wanted to hear the sound of their own voices. I cannot help but recall that well loved phase: “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt”.
The plot thickens. I am actually based at Cosford and will be attending the above mentioned talk with the afore mentioned boss. The dots would appear to join up rather well.
That is not outside of the realms of possibility.
Errr… a little awkward that; I’m afraid I don’t know where it came from. The above image was handed to me, on a sheet of A4, on Friday afternoon, by my boss – “A bit of a challenge for you” he said. No doubt he’ll come across this at some point and realise that I couldn’t fathom it for myself. I think it may have come to him via a friend at RAeS, but I’m not 100% on that.
Thanks both of you for the info; the AW34 is looking like a strong contender. A little bit of googling reveals that some info on this type may be available in the following publications: Air Enthusiast Quarterly 43 & Air International Magazine, Jul, 1991. Would anyone happen to have copies? It might be that one of them contains an image.
Hi John & TheDawnPatrol,
I have sent a PM regarding Nichol’s flight to Malta. Unfortunately this period is covered by the log book which he lost at Ma’atin El Gerawla, thus there is no information regarding this flight. Sorry.
I came across these two images a while back on a flight simulator forum. They were apparently taken at St. Catherine – Calvi – Corsica in July 1944.
Can anyone tell me anything about the Collection D’Amico-Valentini? I would be interested to see if there are any additional images in this collection relating to 238 Sqn.
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Right; I’ve turned up some quite interesting information on this one. Looking through the 238 Squadron ORBs, it transpires that HL851 was indeed on Squadron strength from mid-May 1943, right up until they converted to Spitfires at the end of August. A whole host of different pilots flew it, but it would seem Mr Nichols was not amongst them. The individual pictured with the aircraft would appear (from reference to the group photo in post #10) to be FS Robertson, which ties in nicely with the ORBs, as this individual is recorded as having flown the aircraft on quite a number of occasions. What continues to confuse me is the fact that almost everything I’ve read about the MacRoberts aircraft lists Sir Iain as being HL735, whilst HL851 is usually listed at being Sir Roderic. Any one have any idea why this might be?
MacRobert’s – I see what you mean about the radiator, but I think the reason for the unusual square feature under the aircraft is that it has a bung fitted to keep the dust out. There is a smaller one fitted to the front of the intake on the nose too. I too thought that the aircraft might be undergoing maintenance when I saw one of the cannons had been removed, but then I read a line in the ORB, dated 10/09/42 which said: “The IIcs are being flown with 2 cannon instead of 4 as fitted”. All this makes me think the picture probably does show an aircraft in front line use.
Yes, a fantastic shot. Thank you for looking it out Snapper. It could easily be the only shot in existence of 238 Squadron Spitfires from that period.
With regards to the picture of “The MacRobert Fighter -Sir Iain”; the story is widely known, so the registrations of the 4 aircraft should be easy enough to track down. When I get some time, I shall have a look through the ORBs and see if those registrations appear against any 238 Squadron entries. It would be an interesting little insight to see if these aircraft migrated between Squadrons.
Thank you so much for posting those pictures – A fascinating collection. PM Sent.
That would make sense. I’m guessing this is the machine bought down by the pair of them near Tavistock, on the 27th August then?
It certainly is an interesting shot. Plt Off Considine is it? I’m not sure who the other chap might be. Where is it from? Do you know the context?
A very rare picture indeed. I look forward to seeing it, thank you.