star49FAIL, the forth fleet was remade in April Son. you really are clueless is seems.
So do u think these excersises were planned after Georgian war?. Russia has been for long time building relationship with those countries. despite limited production rates Cuba did Russian passenger aircraft. for them it is very important.
star49Yep your correct on the publicity/propaganda, heres one news report out of hundreds for your amusement.
September 10, 2008
Argentina – El Patagonico – Original Article (Spanish)
Caracas: The president of Venezuela, Hugo Chávez, announced today that Russian warplanes are to land in his country to conduct joint exercises with Venezuelan armed forces, and he informed the international press that he intends to, “fly one of those beasts.”
“Russian aircraft and strategic aviation which is capable of encircling the globe are coming to our country,” said the President, as reported the Italian news agency ANSA.
“Russian planes, strategic bombers, TU-160s have landed in Venezuela, Yes. So that you feel the pain, little-Yankees, I’ll even fly one of those things,” he said.
But wait theres more:
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, a longtime antagonist of the United States whose country is also a key oil provider, has supported the Russian stance in Georgia, reports the Associated Press. In a televised speech, he called the US an “empire” and pledged that “every day, relations between Venezuela and Russia will continue to deepen.”
Chavez called the deployment part of a move toward a “pluri-polar world” — a reference to moving away from U.S. dominance. “The Yankee hegemony is finished,” Chavez said in a televised speech….
🙂
For Chavez it is political stunt of provoking US into latin mess but it has achieved certain objective. US has restablished its Fourth fleet. There was no need for public declaration of 4th fleet when u already have 8 to 10 leftist rulers.
http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN1827567620080918
SAO PAULO (Reuters) – Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva warned on Thursday that the resurrection of a U.S. naval fleet in Latin America may signal that Washington covets huge new oil reserves off Brazil’s coast
star49Compare it with radar in WW2. When some had that technology, when other did not have it in usefull numbers at least. When someone get the idea about the impact of that, it will change his tactics and influence his decision to go into a conflict by force. Basic rule of war is, you will never start one, when you have no real idea to get out of that. That is the difference between criminals and serious military.
The USA are in the comfortable situations, that they had invested billions of Dollar and manpower since the 70s in several programs in a coordinated manner to develop a new technology, when the other ones did not so, the related costs in mind or questioning the gains from that huge investment.
Maybe some did hope, that would open up a temporary capability gap only, which so far it didn’t.
Your example is not serious. A fighter can be based everywhere within his network. The F-22 is just a single tool of a huge war machine. Your never get the real opportunity to figure out strike-opportunities unnoticed nor will you get away unpunished from that. 😀
There is $100B or so invested in ISS. Far larger amount than what Soviet spent on Mir space station and all space missions combined. Now who will be left for feeding the station. Amount of money spent does not necessary represent correct approach. when low cost upgrade to MIG-31 can do the Job.
http://www.kommersant.com/p1027901/Soyuz_Shuttle_space_cooperation/
The tricky point is that even the further use of shuttles won’t solve the problem. Soyuz is not only the key transportation vehicle of the program, it is also the rescue spaceship that will save the ISS crew in case of emergency. The shuttles aren’t expected to be used for this purpose.
star49What total nonsense!
In the era of GPS, there can’t be any navigational difficulties. You can be sure that the Russians were using commercial GPS units for navigation.
u cannot assume what they are using in Blackjack. Read the Sukhoi test pilot interview. they havent allowed any foreign procurement for Ruaf.
star49When you are correct, China will be the first buyer of the MiG-31 to bridge that capability gap. 😉
This should help for the benefit of others. Most countries cannot afford it and some are not allowed or down graded version which makes it usefullness less desirable. like MIG-31 armed with R-33E will be less usefull than Su-35 armed with late model R-77.
http://www.cast.ru/eng/journal/2000/3-nikitin/
Eksport Vooruzheniy Journal
№3’2000 (May-June)
Interview with Nikolay Nikitin, General Director of RSK “MiG”——————————————————————————–
Don’t you think that MiG-31 that is still very underestimated by the foreign market, has a lot of prospects to be promoted in China, India, South East Asia and Middle East?
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Iknow that until we came there had been some offers on MiG-31 but the corporation had been refused. We will evidently have to study much to lobby our interests in the power bodies. Now we are working properly on Vietnam. We explain, show analytic researches that the mixed fleet of MiG-31, Su-27 and Su-30 is optimal for this country. Now the five-year purchase plan is being conducted in Vietnam, within which they provide their Air Forces with the Su-27 family fighters. This plan will be conducted for one more year.
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The Vietnamese market is small but the sales in China could make up dozens of units.
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Such decisions should be taken with great caution. On the one hand, it could be good to sell, on the other hand, MiG-31 is a high-technological machine but the Chinese people is so diligent…
star49I was with a deployment to RAF Fairford with 6 B-1s and about 50-60 support crew..they few 2-3 missions daily.
I’m not saying RAF Fairford is a third world country…but any B-1 specific stuff had to be brought along..they don’t keeps parts there just waiting for the next deployment. Aside from generic items like fuels and maintenance stands, it was a “bare base” operation.
Russia was doing this first time with Tu-160 and with support of single An-124
http://www.royfc.com/acft_news.html
Today’s News
Flight Experience to Venezuela Will Be Considered in Creation of New Aircraft Equipment
The flight experience of the Russian Tu-160 missile carriers to Venezuela will be considered in the improvement of existing and the creation of new aircraft equipment, the Russian air force deputy commander-in-chief, Aleksandr Anfinogentov, declared to journalists Friday after the airplanes had landed at the airbase in Ehngel’s.
“We made extended flights in locations without reference points over the ocean: more than 10 hours of boundless sea, where there are not any radio aide; therefore, all hope was in the crew’s professionalism and the reliability of the equipment. We evaluated the quality and reliability of its operation in this flight. Most of all, for our part, proposals for its improvement will follow in the future taking into consideration the experience obtained,” the deputy CinC said.
He indicated that strategic airplanes had never previously approached so close to the equator, to which not more than 400 kilometers remained.
“Carrying out flights in this latitudes have their own specific characteristics. This experience also will be summarized and young airmen will be trained in it,” Anfinogentov noted.
star49Concord had a long career. Anyway incase you hadn’t noticed the point was to demonstrate long distance flying does not equate to combat capabilities.
How many 13 hrs flights concord made? and they were to well established airports. In combat u go fast, launch missiles from thousands of kms and turn back for new mission the same day. this for navigation and operational purpose if suppose Russia needs a base some where Africa/latin america. from both places u can cover atlantic. with fighters and bombers.
star49yes but what did they do there for those 10 days? drop ordnance? no, fly excersises? no. they basically just parked up and had what two brief flights round the airport during the stay. not impressive to anyone.
they had simulated rounds. and 6 to 8 hrs flights are not brief for supersonic bomber. They came back in 13 hr flight. they to fly north to avoid EU and than fly south to engels. So just the flight times for 9 days is close to 40hrs or may be more.
droping ordance is not big deal. it is the navigation system in unknown place and minimum support infrastructure that make it significant. There werent any AWACS guiding them.
star49I guess you were as suprised as he was that they made it back, considering you felt you had to post an article up to show us all the magnificant feat of long distance flying, must say though i’m kinda shocked they made it back…
It is feat in terms of operational significance. Try to use B-1/B-2 in some thirld world country for 10 days with only 100 support crew with single support aircraft. Supersonic bomber is alot more complex than subsonic like Tu-95.
star49We’ll see if they all make it back under their own power. :diablo:
They have returned back:diablo:. So much of ur claims.
http://www.kommersant.com/p-13255/r_527/Russian_Venezuelan_military_exercises/
Russian Bombers back from Venezuela
Two Russian Tu-160 strategic bombers flew from Caracas to Russia Thursday morning and landed at Engels air base in Saratov Region, Interfax information agency reports. They had refueled in flight near Great Britain, Gen. Maj. Alexander Blazhenko told journalists. “Mission accomplished,” he said. He added that the bombers’ presence in Venezuela was not connected to events in South Ossetia. “We had been preparing for the mission for a long time,” he said. “It was just unclear what country we would go to. Finally, Venezuela proposed a partnership.”
The planes’ crews are now going through passport control and customs. The planes set a record for flight length for that model in their flights to Venezuela on September 10 and back on September 18, Russian Air Force Commander Alexander Afinogentov said. The flights to Libertador Airport outside Caracas lasted more than 15 hours. The return flight took 13 hours. They were refueled with more than 25 tons of kerosene near Great Britain. While they were in Britain, the Saratov-based planes took part in several training exercises and patrolled the eastern shore of South America.
Afinogentov added that the transit flights were also distinguished by the difficult weather conditions they passed through. They were accompanied by NATO jet fighter in neutral waters over the Atlantic and Northern Oceans. There will be joint Russian-Venezuelan naval exercises in Venezuelan territorial waters in November. The Russian missile cruiser Peter the Great will take part in those. Russian anti-ship planes are expected to be sent to the naval exercises as well
star49first time cost of $900m is mentioned for SSBN. relatively cheap.
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080919/116955401.html
MOSCOW, September 19 (RIA Novosti) – Russia will adopt new Bulava-M submarine-based ballistic missiles for service with the Navy and commission the first Borey-class strategic nuclear submarine in 2009, a senior Navy official said on Friday.
The Navy on Thursday conducted a scheduled launch of the Bulava missile from the submerged Dmitry Donskoi, a Typhoon-class ballistic missile nuclear submarine, in northern Russia’s White Sea, and the missile reached its target at the Kura testing grounds on the Kamchatka Peninsula, about 6,700 kilometers (4,200 miles) east of Moscow.
“The successful launch of the ballistic missile allows us to assert with certainty that both the Bulava missile and the Yury Dolgoruky submarine will be put into service in 2009,” the official said.
The Bulava (SS-NX-30), developed by the Moscow Institute of Thermal Technology, is designed for deployment on Borey-class Project 955 nuclear-powered submarines.
The first submarine in the series, the Yury Dolgoruky (Image gallery), was built at the Sevmash plant in the northern Arkhangelsk Region and is currently undergoing sea trials.
The submarine has a length of 170 meters (580 feet), a body diameter of around 13 meters (42 feet), and a submerged speed of about 29 knots.
It will be equipped with 16 Bulava ballistic missiles, each carrying up to 10 nuclear warheads and having a range of 8,000 kilometers (5,000 miles).
Two other Borey-class nuclear submarines, the Alexander Nevsky and the Vladimir Monomakh, are currently under construction at the Sevmash plant.
Fourth-generation Borey-class nuclear-powered submarines armed with Bulava missiles will form the core of Russia’s fleet of modern strategic submarines.
Russia plans to build at least seven $890-million submarines of this class by 2015.
star49Here’s the problem with this assertion. If they don’t know what the actual RCS is on the F-22/B-2, they’re having to guess at what RCS they need the drones to be, to simulate VLO targets.
Why would there guess be wrong. considering World top scientist and filed experiance of radar manufacturers.
It can be wrong between .00001 and .0001 sqm but it wont make a difference.
star49Yep bombard the SAM sites with SSMs, just like they so successfully did aginst little tiny Georgia :diablo:. However I do not think the shot down pilots would agree with you, perhaps you should be ‘running the show’ in the Russian military, they could certainly do with your help! How exactly do they know how to fight low cost wars either, Checynia was a bloody disaster and very costly in terms of life and money for the Russians. You really need to think before you speak Son.
This is not 1994 but 2008. Russia has the money to buy enemies and intelligece. And make counter insurgency operations low cost. West hasnt faced any such thing what Russia faced in Afghanistan/Tajikistan/Chechnya with little hard currency. Opposite forces were well funded and supplied.
star49So they have tested it against the F-22 and B-2 i take it? No of course they havn’t its all wild propaganda which you are swallowing whole.
Besides it won’t matter how powerfull your radar is it will not change the laws of physics and radar returns.
Why they need to test against B-2/F-22 size targets. The can test against even physcially very small drone at low altitude. And Russians are quite good simulation. They did some changes to Tu-204 called Tu-204SM without actually buildig the airline.
star49APG-77 for the F-22. APG-79 for the Super Hornet (contrary to your delusions Super Hornet production is ongoing and over 100 APG-79s delivered). APG-63V2 (in service) APG-63V3 currently in flight testing. APG-80 in service. APG-81 in testing. And how is it relevant? Well the US has several manufacturers actually producing AESAs. Russia has none in production. Nada. Zero. They have a few test units to dangle in front of prospective suckers. er. . .buyers and that’s it. Yes, yes, we all know how you think giant radars (of any kind) must be better because they’re giant but you’d be wrong.
Russia does not need to tell what radars are in production for domestic use. And PESA performance is quite good untill now. BARS/IRBIS/Zalson are among the best in world interms of performance. so there is no need to introduce AESA untill it exceeds those capabilities.
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