It doesn’t matter how over or underpowered something is. Anytime you add a significant additional weight, you are going to have a significant decrease in combat range. The fact that you think adding 3250 kg will not significantly decrease the range of a flanker shows how clueless you are.

than why it does not effect Su-30MKI vs Su-30MK or Su-27SK

max takeoff increase means stronger airframe. It doesn’t mean the empty weight is increased by the same amount. Why is it so hard for you to comprehend?

Maximum takeoff means stronger airframe but it does not mean increase in empty weight? how u explain 1.5 tons weight difference between F-16A and F-16C. I am not even going into that F-16C are made a decade later. with lighter avioncis.

that was an official article, lol. You have no credibiilty.

with kind of reasoning u have credibility.

The Russian navy rarely puts to sea and most of its ships have received no upgrades since the 1980’s, in that period its size has been massively reduced. The capacity of a Sovremmeny or a Udaloy to defend itself is highly questionable. The Russian surface fleet is little short of being a museum- how many Aegis DDG’s has the USN commissioned since 1990?:rolleyes:

Even the 200km ranged Kh-31P is going to make the launch aircraft vulnerable.

200KM is for export as mentioned to Chinese in Novemeber 2006. when it is cleared for those ranges for export it means they have achieved some thing better than this.

there best bet is keeping upgrading those 200 to 300 Back fires. with modern PESA/AESA radar. Its Radar will be powerful enough like AWACS with heavy EW equipment like Poweler. It has the speed & the range on its side.
It may not provide 360 degree coverage but who needs it in one dimensional war.

http://www.strategycenter.net/research/pubID.5/pub_detail.asp
The Tu-22M-3 remained in production until 1993, and various sources claim that up to 268 units were built. As IOC was achieved in 1989 and operational flying rapidly curtailed after 1991, the average number of fatigue hours accumulated by the Backfire C fleet is very low, especially for the last aircraft built, which have a calendar age of only 11 years. U.S. sources put Russian Air Force inventory numbers at 70 to 105, Russian naval aviation numbers at 105, and Ukrainian Air Force numbers at 14 (with 16 Backfire B).

Always remember this thing. Export variant is thoroughly downgrades stuff even in Airframes. This person is airchief now.

Upgraded SU-27SM, delivered to Air Force, are superior to SU- 30MKK, SU-30MKI
LIPETSK. Dec 26 (Interfax-AVN) – A batch of upgraded SU-27SM Flanker fighters, transferred to the Lipetsk Air Force Center from the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Production Association on Friday, is superior to the SU-30MKK Flanker and the SU-30MKI Flanker as far as their combat capabilities are concerned, Lieutenant General Alexander Zelin, Deputy Air Force Commander-in- Chief, told Interfax-Military News Agency on Friday.
“SU-25SM upgraded feature the same cutting-edge technologies, introduced to the SU-30MKK and the SU-30MKI, exported to foreign states. The new fighter boasts still higher combat capabilities,” Zelin said.
Unlike the SU-30MKK and the SU-30MKI exported, the SU-27SM is operated by a single pilot, rather than a two-man strong crew, Zelin said.
“We cannot provide the Russian Air Force with combat aircraft that may be worse than those exported,” the general said.
According to him, these are aircraft, which had been operated in maneuver units and then progressed through modernization at KnAAPO. They now feature a new service life, appearance, and better combat capabilities.
“The aircraft now have much higher combat capabilities. The aircraft has become a multi-role one and is now fitted with new arms, which enables it to discharge new tasks,” Zelin said.
“The SU-27SM will considerably improve combat capabilities of Air Force units,” Zelin emphasized.
He noted that the SU-27SM upgraded was basically a totally new aircraft. “Not only have its avionics and armament been upgraded, but its airframe as well,” he stressed.
“The aircraft is now fitted with a new power plant. The aircraft may be fitted with modernized power plants, including thrust vector control engines, manufactured by the Moscow-based Salyut Engineering Enterprise, without considerable redesign,” Zelin said.
The SU-27SM is equipped with state-of-the-art avionics, designed by the Aerokosmicheskoye Oborudovanie Corporation.
According to Zelin, aircraft, being fielded with the Air Force, feature a great potential for further modernization.
Five SU-27SMs upgraded arrived at the Lipetsk Air Force Combat and Conversion Training Center from Komsomolsk-on-Amur, having made two intermediate landings at Dzhida (Buryatiya) and Novosibirsk. The ferry flight was carried out by Air Force maneuver unit pilots

Go read the article.

Article is about 1982. So u are likey dealing with Vaccum tube technology.

Quite willing to stand corrected on that one. Whilst doubtless impressive I dont think it alters the basic premise that using Flankers as Ocean Recce platforms is not necessarily the optimum use for the type!.

Again more assumptions. why it is not optimum use of that type? it is faster than AWACS. No need for self defense fighters can provide datalinks to other air assets to create group action mode. with Air refuelling range can be extended to more than 6000KM with upto 10 hrs loiter time. and more quantity can be concentrated in given area. AWACS is simply too slow.

http://www.royfc.com/news/jan/2405jan01.html
The aircraft radar has obtained a mapping capability in real beam and synthetic aperture mode with medium and high resolution. A selection mode of moving target also has been realized, and a “sea” mode which provides for a decrease in the influence of the sea state in the search and detection mode. The radar detects radar contrasting ground targets at a distance up to 100 kilometers, huge surface targets at a distance up to 350 kilometers and small sizes up to 120 kilometers

Dionis,

It is not just necessary it is absolutely critical because, without the target track to co-ordinate a strike against, your list of shooters is valueless.

This is a very simple process, a great deal of intelligence is not required to understand it.

1) You cannot shoot at a target until you have detected, assessed and tracked it. Known in the trade as ‘Where, What and When’.

– The ‘Detected’ part is obvious you need to know where it is and at what range from your shooter assets to determine whether the target can in fact be engaged. Assessment is equally obvious…you need to know what it is to know whether you actually want to engage or whether the contact could be a feint. You have to identify the targets in order assign the correct force package to have the optimium chance of defeating it. For example – a target escorted by 8 AEGIS vessels you will not send a dozen Su-24’s against alone…as they will achieve nothing…you will wait until you can bring in additional forces in a cooperative action…or use submarines etc. Lastly the tracking phase…an ability to maintain, even intermittent, contact with the target is CRITICAL – it is an old and hackneyed tactic to show your opponent enough to get him all fired up and charging off to a position you appear to be heading for…and then turn, break contact, and appear somewhere else. If you cannot keep some form of track on the target forget it.

2)Your reconnaissance systems HAVE to be surviveable. Look at what you have listed: Kamov choppers, Su-24MR’s, MiG-25R’s (are there any of these left??) how many of these have a real chance of closing a group with an E-2 directed CAP?. The Russian ocean reconnaissance satellite ‘network’ is currently one refurbished ELINT satellite that may or may not be operational. You cant even say if any MarPat Bears still fly – which is quite the point and the limited number of A-50’s they have are going to be kept back where they can be defended by land-based air meaning a surveillance depth of what 400km offshore for a ship target -wherever an A-50 happens to be patrolling?. Its a poor capability set all round and that, I am afraid, isnt something you can just gloss over.

You can list the numbers of shooting assets in service and all their wonderful missiles capabilities to your hearts content Dionis. Just understand that, in the real world, without reconnaissance and targetting assets they dont add up to much.

A-50 in limited numbers? there are more than 20. and A single upgraded A-50 can provide air picture of entire EU. There is exponential growth in capabilities. One Su-27SM can find destroyer size target at more than 300KM.
And dont go even into Satellite business. they can find humans with Satellite let alone big battelship.

http://www.royfc.com/acft_news.html
Russian Federation Long Range Air Force Puts All Its Airplanes into the Air

Airplanes of Russia’s Long Range Air Force made aerial patrol flights in remote regions for the first time in 2008 today. “Today, there are planned combat readiness flights in all Long Range Air Force units,” the chief of the Russian Federation air force information service and public communications, Colonel Aleksandr Drobyshevskiy, specified. – “All Long Range Air Force flight and maintenance personnel, Tu-160, Tu-95MS, Tu-22M3, Il-78 and Tu-134UBL airplanes, and also all depot and operational airfields are involved in the flights.”
Androsov refuted some media reports which maintained that Long Range Air Force airplanes supposedly almost had expended their service life. “As of today, the airplanes have used up to 40 – 45 percent of their service life,” he noted. – “There is enough service life to fulfill missions in the remote regions

Prove it.

here is Su-34. they are modernizing plant.
http://www.kommersant.com/p-11878/military_technology/

It is put under different name in Russian so u will never see Brahmos in russian service.

PUTIN VISITS RUSSIAN-INDIAN JV BRAHMOS ASSEMBLY SITE

MOSCOW. Nov 19 2002(Interfax) Co President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday was shown around the Machine-Building Research and Production Association (NPOmash) in Reutov near Moscow.

In one of the workshops he was shown the Strela light launch vehicle under testing and also a heat resistance test rig.

Putin was also taken to the assembly site of the Russian-Indian joint venture BrahMos that develops and assembles Yakhont anti-ship missile systems.

NPOmash general director Gerbert Yefremov spoke to Putin about the efforts of the joint venture in detail. He said the test launches of the missiles in Russia have been successful and that the Russian Navy has already adopted them. “Now we can show our customers a thing our own ships are equipped with,” he said.

An article was posted in this forum earlier today about the Su-34, 58 by 2015…….Not that scary. 300km is not that impressive, it puts the launch aircraft well within range of the defensive carrier aircraft, Hawkeye and Shornet which were aimed at Backfires carrying 400km+ missiles. Not to mention the Standards of the escorting DDG’s.

that 58 Su-34 is old figure before Russia found fortune. now they are creating capacity to build 20 per year for 300 by 2020. and Brahmos range is 300KM due to MTCR. Incase of Russia you wont know if u are dealing with 300KM missile or 3000KM missile

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?p=1097710&highlight=brahmos#post1097710
Mazurkevich, who heads international cooperation department of the Russian defence ministry, said that one of the reasons for not Russia not keen to export this weapon, “highly lethal for potential enemies”, is that its range could be easily extended from the current 300 km, allowed under Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR).

“We are not worried about it as we have nuclear weapons, but this (unauthorised extension of range) may pose threat not only to India but also to our other friends and allies,” Mazurkevich underscored. He said Brahmos is initially an anti-ship cruise missile and Russia is closely cooperating with India in the development of its other variants including land and air based.

“Coupled with Sukhoi Su-30MKI it makes a highly potent weapon system,” General Mazurkevich said.

However, the trial of this system requires heavy financing and Russia would help India in this, he said.

“Two-three trials of Brahmos air force version would equal the cost of a SU-30MKI fighter, but we have expertise, how to do this at much lesser cost,” Mazurkevich said adding that “unveiling and enhancing” the hidden potential of new weapon systems like Brahmos cruise missiles, Su-30MKI fighters and T-90S main battle tanks would be one of the thrust areas Indo-Russian military-to-military cooperation

So BrahMos is a M2 air vehicle performing S-type manoevers at deck level in terminal phase to target. Look at the video clip that was posted and tell me why that isnt such a problem for an ESSM ship to sweat?!.

so do u think Onyx/Yakhont do S shape maneovurs as some thing it has to do to reach the target it cannot go in straight line. there is no element of artifcial intelligence. and anyway it is only showing cartoon not the actual maneovers.

Well the rest of what you wrote is obviously unrelated gibberish, but, the above did get me curious. What, pray tell, is a ‘T/R module based satellite’?. I would guess you are talking about some form of RORSAT/surveillance satellite with an active array radar scanner?. If so who is making it, whats its power source and when will it be launched?.

You should not be curious. u know everything with certainity.