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  • in reply to: The Indian MMRCA Saga #2526432
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    Typical nonsense. The Mirage 2000 does not suffer from a shortage of power, exspecially at medium to high speed. When I remember well, the main task will be that of a striker.

    so why everything from F-16/F-15/F-18/Su-27/MIG-29/LCA needs newer engines with passage of time but not outdated M2K?

    in reply to: The Indian MMRCA Saga #2526436
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    As per usual you are talking absolute nonsense. Mirage 2000-5 MK2 is in service and complete and would not have required TVC, IRST etc etc. Why you insist on posting here I do not know, all you do is waste otherwise useful bandwidth.

    so do u think M2K will not require Newer Engines, AESA radar, IRST, TVC, enhance fuel capacity and mult vendor Avionics and weopons integration with all TOT?.
    I have doubt about France ability to deliver M2K-5II in reasonable amount of time even if it is standard fully developed version let alone customized for India

    in reply to: Super Hornet buy to be reconsidered. #2526464
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    An AAM does reach Mach 4, so fighter speed is no issue to stay polite.

    Fighter speed is an issue. Read about MIG-31. if it is not an issue they may well use B-737 for launching AAMs. I am sure big AESA radar of AWACS will help to get favourable position. Mach 0.8 is not bad.

    in reply to: The Indian MMRCA Saga #2526473
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    The actual Mig-35 has not even flown yet, we know that becouse the latest air show model displayed is distinctly different to the aircraft that we have seen flying called the Mig-35. Add to the that the stories that both the radar and the optical system were developmental prototypes and perfroming well below the brochure advertised standard and it is apparent that the Mig-35 is no more ready and available than the Gripen-NG.

    The MMRCA project made sense when it was a straight buy of 126 Mirages, if these had been ordered to Mirage 2000-5 Mk2 standard and the existing IAF fleet upgraded to the same standard it would have been a fantastic move, now it is slowly turning into a farce.

    It took Dassualt more than 10 years to finish M2K-9 contract. how long do u think M2K-5 with all TOT fore engines, Avionics and Indian specific multivendor avioncis/weopons and lastly dealing with Indian negotiation. (price alone will be big sticking point)
    here we are not talking about simple 1980s version of M2K but that is built for next 40 years. Hence it will require AESA, IRST, TVC, more powerful version of M-88 engines etc. (u dont want that underpowered outdated M-53).
    MIG-35 is no more on paper than MIG-29K was in 2004. only the current MIG-35 version is not flying with RD-33MK. The rest of small body changes for future Russians can easily handle with FBW. Its not big deal. AESA just lacks the full modules.

    in reply to: Algerian mig 29 SMT quality issues #2526529
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    Do you think Asians were living in trees or something?:rolleyes: Have you no conception at all of the artistic, scientific and technical accomplishments of ancient Chinese, Japanese, Indian etc. societies? Do you honestly believe nobody outside Russia contributed to mathematics? A shame Isaac Newton as one of many wasn’t Russian then:rolleyes:

    Ancient things are irrevleant as far as modern Scientific revolution. and i didnot say that they are living in trees. I just say that they havent reached that Stage where they can teach West Science like Russians have done for centuries. just look at Semiconductors/Software field. and I am talking about very high end.
    Converting Theory into Mathematical form is all that matters.
    and u are not acknowloging that Asia have benefited immensely during Coldwar from free flow of knowledge and business practices from West to East. They havent done anything by itself.

    in reply to: Super Hornet buy to be reconsidered. #2526557
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    I guess the statement that an F-15E has substantially more strike radius than a F-18F with comparable warload is based largely on hearsay. Why do people consider the F-15E as so extremely long range?

    The known transonic drag problem of the Super Hornet (which is the reason for some poor performance parameters) does not really have an effect for strike mission radius.

    Given the fact that Australia operates Hornets it would be stupid to order 24 aircraft of a totally different type that is actually less advanced than the legacey Hornets they already have.

    how about CFT on F-15s, more weopons stations (even u are carrying external tanks), 6 Tons more thrust for Standard F-15SG (9 ton more thrust incase of F-16E engines & that is year 2000 standard not some future derivative of F414) with hardly 2 tons weight difference. F-15 is in different league as far as straight line performance is concerned and that all matters in BVR fight.
    http://www.boeing.com F-18 top speed is Mach 1.6. it is too slow to be called a fighter.

    in reply to: Algerian mig 29 SMT quality issues #2527060
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    What, so now it was the USSR who was responsible for Western science?:confused: And the USSR didn’t copy RR jets? Next you’ll tell us Whittle and Ohain were actually Russian:rolleyes:

    Surely u havent read this history. Russians giving the Job at the right time and proper environment created on which whole World modern Mathematics is based. i can go on and on. that includes that Alfred Nobel that Study Chemistry. Chinese/Koreans didnot offer opportunities to these people.

    http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Biographies/Euler.html
    This decision ultimately benefited Euler, because it forced him to move from a small republic into a setting more adequate for his brilliant research and technological work.

    As soon as he knew he would not be appointed to the chair of physics, Euler left Basel on 5 April 1727. He travelled down the Rhine by boat, crossed the German states by post wagon, then by boat from Lübeck arriving in St Petersburg on 17 May 1727. He had joined the St Petersburg Academy of Sciences two years after it had been founded by Catherine I the wife of Peter the Great. Through the requests of Daniel Bernoulli and Jakob Hermann, Euler was appointed to the mathematical-physical division of the Academy rather than to the physiology post he had originally been offered. At St Petersburg Euler had many colleagues who would provide an exceptional environment for him [1]:-

    Nowhere else could he have been surrounded by such a group of eminent scientists, including the analyst, geometer Jakob Hermann, a relative; Daniel Bernoulli, with whom Euler was connected not only by personal friendship but also by common interests in the field of applied mathematics; the versatile scholar Christian Goldbach, with whom Euler discussed numerous problems of analysis and the theory of numbers; F Maier, working in trigonometry; and the astronomer and geographer J-N Delisle.
    Euler’s work in mathematics is so vast that an article of this nature cannot but give a very superficial account of it. He was the most prolific writer of mathematics of all time

    in reply to: Algerian mig 29 SMT quality issues #2528231
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    I can only assume this is either a joke statement or some sort of xenophobic refusal to accept the accomplishments of China and South Korea. The fact you obviously know nothing about cars tends me to think the latter. China are using foreign technology transfers because they’re a developing nation and it is accelerating their development, the same as the USSR plundering East/Central Europe for Germany technology in the aftermath of WW2, buying RR jet engines at the same time and reverse engineering B29’s. Or does that not count?:rolleyes:

    Surely It was USSR that sent millions of its students to study in West and than work in western corporations to gain work experiance and than create supply chain of cheaper products to the same multinational giants from back home. USSR immigrants have direct contribution to Western Science. Not some recycled stuff.
    Buying RR Jet engines is just like buying A Rolls Royce car. It does not mean u have obtained the science behind it.

    in reply to: Algerian mig 29 SMT quality issues #2528769
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    You really are dumb, if we’re talking automobiles why don’t you tell us about the great cars Russia has made, and how those South Koreans will never have a car industry:rolleyes: Wouldn’t want to notice the fact that they are the major players in ship building too, or that they are major suppliers of semi-conductors and electronic equipment. 20 years ago China was an economic non entity with little influence in the world trading system, today they’re absolutely vital to that trade system and one of the key stones of the global economy, and they’ve shown an incredible economic, technical and scientific development. The goods coming out of China are now high quality products and they’ve used technology transfers wisely to add to their own knowledge base. The J10 is a case in point, they may have had a lot of foreign assistance but that foreign assistance has gone into their own pool of expertise, not just a paid for service that will mean nothing later. And despite your obvious contempt for China and South Korea and bizarre disdain for their achievements (what other countries have exceeded the development achievements of China and South Korea?) most of the rest of the world can see they are on track to becoming players on the global arms market.

    Russian hasnt been building Western car for past 4 decades.
    They have just started it. Infact it is unprofitable for them to enter into this low margin industry. there strength is more in Aerospace/nano/nuclear/Space/missile industry. People buy SK cars because they cant afford other makers. and most of technology transfer happend from Japanese to them. they havent invented anything. just refining what they get from elsewhere. After how many years of Car building SK designed its first Car engine by its own?(I am not going into science behind it) Compare that to Tank engine or Kamaz Truck engines under communist times in Soviet Russia. I can say under same system like Soviet Union China/Korea are only capable of making bicycles.

    in reply to: the PAK-FA saga, continued2…… #2528896
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    hope so.

    It depends what Russia consider as Advanced. they have sold S-300PMU-2/Tor and 636 Kilo to China.

    sorry, the development is not done. which is why a team is in delhi negotiating the final state.

    What is being Developed for Ruaf has nothing to do with export variant of aircraft. Just look at Su-34.

    india can invest in a lot of things for that amount of money. whether the pak-fa is worthwhile proposition is what time will tell.

    India cannot buy even a license for 4Th generation Western aircarft for $5B let alone participation in development of 5th generation. F-16E development cost(Not license) in 1998 dollars is $2B.

    by choice. while power does play a role of course since this will be a larger aircraft. another issue is of survivability.

    5Th generation by definition is expensive. Single vs Twin engine is moot point. Better with twin engine for Supercruise.

    the indian air forces requirements amay be unobtainium at times but most times they have a reason for what they ask for. the basic design is not just external shaping, it also includes what the pak-fa will have inside and what it should be capable of.

    Inside does not even matter. It is the Aerodynamicsmaterialsproduction processesEnginesFBW that gives Supercruise, Stealth,ultra maneovrability, Internal weopons Carriage and space for electronics. India cannot make ZHUK-AE class radar which outperforms most of its competitors. PAK-FA is in totally different league.

    http://mnpk.ru/index_ing/des/
    ADVANCED DEVELOPMENTS
    Creation of:
    • KSU-50 digital integrated flight control system for the T-50 aircraft;
    • Integrated airborne equipment complexes for special-purpose products and UAV;
    • SDU-15 digital fly-by-wire control system for the L-15 aircraft;
    • engine thrust and thrust-vector control systems

    http://www.micran.ru/news/899/
    It goes without saying, the nail of entire exhibition became the destroyer of the fifth generation MIG-35, equipped with radar OF JOINT STOCK COMPANY “corporation” Fazatron NIIR “-” Beetle- AE “with the impulse phased antenna cascade (AFAR). For the first time “non-American” aircraft is equipped with this system. The separate pride NPF Of “mikran” are the developed and produced transceivers for this type of radars

    those claims are wrong. the original indian audit reports on the subject if you can get them clearly point out how involved the development was, and how india financed the mki despite not getting its initial requirements met, as an article of faith.

    MKI has $400M worth of R&D fully owned by Russia. thats why they can sell as many as they want without giving any royalty to India. look at F-16E.
    Cheap parts outsourcing is different thing. Russian wages are rising ver fast.

    the physical shape is also evolving, the aim is to use the flight tests to validate the basic design and change/ modify it.

    how much w JSF Shape will change or for that matter F-22 changed from First Flight to last flight?

    in reply to: Algerian mig 29 SMT quality issues #2528912
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    OK, live in a dream world as Chinese technology continues to improve and the Koreans steadily build up an arms industry (when did Germany being in the US sphere stop them selling arms?), IMO China is now at the tipping point of achieving indigenous self sufficiency, their current generation of hardware like the J10 used a lot of foreign assistance but are undoubtedly Chinese and very capable, I think they’re at the point where the next generation will be totally home grown (they have the economy to support the sort of huge R&D modern military development needs) and then they may be in an excellent position to beat Russia for the high quality low cost sector but also challenge on quality alone potentially.

    u have no idea what ur talking about. China has been building millions Volksvagen and other foreign car for near 2 decade and they are still far behind in those simple things.
    and here ur comparing very high end mililitary stuff. Russia built things in 60s and 70s under communism and without modern computers which China cant built even in 21st century with all the money and open source information. SK is even worse than that. It was Russian who designed the high end imaging processor for them. It is Russians who are helping them in Space Launch facility and than u can go into there next generation of SAM missiles.
    Infact there was $3B worth of intellectual capital that was transferred in early 90s.
    These countries simply cant create there own science.

    in reply to: Algerian mig 29 SMT quality issues #2529643
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    Anybody who doesn’t see the global arms market diversifying in the coming decades must be blind. South Korea has a first class industrial/technological base and is turning out some high quality military hardware now and they’ll likely grow significantly as an arms supplier, and China is now making some very capable equipment, indeed considering the economic development of China and their technological growth curve if I was a US or European arms company I’d see Chinese competition as more of a future sales threat than Russia as IMO China is in a much better position to grow their arms industry over the next couple of decades. And if India could sort out their procurement beaurocracy and get some good management in place they have huge potential to be a global player at the higher end of the market. The South Africans and Brazilians still have ambition too.

    China?India? Arms competition. They cannot sell even a rifle in free market terms. and South Korea is too much depended on West to challenge West.
    Russia has to balance act in middleast. For High Tech area Arms market will be the same as it is.

    http://www.kommersant.com/p839198/r_500/arms_sales/
    Head of the Federal Military-Technical Cooperation Service Mikhail Dmitriev stated that cooperation with Iran would continue with the goal of maintaining the balance of power in the region.

    in reply to: INS Vikramaditya delayed until 2011! #2041762
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    Because Russian yards may look cheaper up front, but they demand double the money when they think it’s too late for you to back out, & fail to deliver. That is not economical. I’d rather deal with honest businessmen than gangsters.

    It is not just ruble/dollar exchange of past four years but tremendous wage growth in Russia that went against that fixed price contract of Gorskov.
    Rafale /F-18E in export price is too expensive. Just look at Australian F-18E deal.
    anyway this thing matter little when u have hard currency to bribe in third world.

    http://www.kommersant.com/p832124/r_500/Tank_India/
    Despite the problems incurred during implementation of all previous military contracts, Russia has remained the key supplier of military product to India mostly thanks to its readiness to export technology and good personal contacts of Rosoboronexport top management with the local authorities

    in reply to: Soviet F111 equivalent #2538535
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    100.01% non sense. Period.

    offcourse every one is harping on cost of Cold war to East but if some one raise the cost of cold war to West it becomes nonsense:rolleyes: . which is many times more and complete dependency.

    in reply to: Soviet F111 equivalent #2538597
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    The Soviets never satisfyingly addressed the problem of their Northern border (until MiG-31 & A-50 arrival). In the early days the bombers came in high. When the B-52 switched to low level penetration things became tricky, while the B-52 is still a good radar target and limited to 300ish KIAS at low level (that is about 550 km/h, compared to ~850 km/h it does at altitude). The B-52 had the SRAM which was designed to take out GCI stations ahead of the bombers (with a nice 100kT greeting card 😮 ). Although the B-52 looks outdated, it still was a quite capable weapons system. As warhead were nuclear, even a 50% loss rate would still mean hundreds of warheads to cope with. A second strike is unlikely anyways.

    With the B-1B things changed. Besides its lower RCS, it has a speed advantage and much better ECM. The MiG-31 was the answer. Its capability is a huge step forward compared to MiG-23P, Su-15 or MiG-25PD. But still any fighter aircraft has limitations in view angle, radar and processing power. AWACS is needed.

    That the whole scenario is insane, and that a few tousand warheads on the Northern hemisphere would potentially make life a bit harsh in aftermath is clear (not only the nukes itself, but the simultaneous conflagration of all cities).

    In the 1980s the Soviets developed many capable weapon systems but lagged behind in fielding them. There is a huge gap between developing something and making it operational. In the 1980s the economical downfall prevented the quick procurement of such expensive systems. You cannot just take a brand new MiG-29 and put it on the tarmac where the MiG-23ML(D) stood yesterday and expect the pilot to operate it to its maximum potential. The Soviets never used the full potential of its MiG-23ML(D), either. Using the -23 as a “dogfighter” needs much more training, despite some features on the -23MLD it remained a tricky aircraft. The MiG-29 required new piloting philosophies and tactics. Even when serial aircraft arrived in 1982, it needed time to have operational squadrons. And lots of money: the high operating costs of the MiG-29 made it a money eater. Reducing flight time to 70 hours a year (Soviet standard) will hardly make a capable machine. Details again. The ex-F-4F pilot will not become mastermind in its new Eurofighter over night, either. Expecially when the second guy now speaks binary.

    The West already knew in the early 80ies that it had “won” the Cold War, and some Soviets knew so, too.

    West does not knew in 80s that it had won the cold war. otherwise they would not have supported islamists against the Soviets. and By 1980s most of Consumer industries were outsourced to Asia so West can concentrate on Arms buildup. which inturn led to rise of Asia (more consumption) and complete Western dependency on eastern natural resources. so large scale War was out of question. More than 90% of War bill of 1990 deseart Storm was paid by Middleast/Japan. the rest of military build up on debt.

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