Their page, but no number. Now called Mount Kelly.
http://www.mountkelly.com/Combined-Cadet-Force
M. Ancien: Re the ad for the Scheldemusch you are looking for, I found this quote on Wikipedia:
The only Scheldemusch to survive the war was PH-AMG, which had gone to England as a replacement demonstrator.[4] It was briefly considered by the RAF, appearing with both roundels and its Dutch civil registration.[7] At the end of the war it was advertised for sale at £235[5] and there were reports that it survived until 1960, but there is no evidence that it flew in that time.
Ref [5] is Flight 31.12.1977
Which ad or ads are you looking for?
I still have a lot of old Flights, but not 1946. To reduce the volume I cut out all the ads, so that makes two reasons they are of no use to you!
Very interesting pictures, Spitzfeuer. However, I don’t think the Me262 in the first was being assembled in the open. The caption says it was built in Schwäbisch Hall and then delivered to (JV) 44 Adolf Galland. Looks more like it was abandoned as the Americans advanced. However, the later photos in the series do show how factories were hidden in the woods. Very nice set of pictures.
Thanks Mark. That’s clear now! Back to the P-40.
Maybe you’ll do that Moggy, and let us know the result…
Off track, but in response to Mark 12’s remarks about the El Alamein Spitfire. Do you mean the one that is mainly a forward fuselage on a sort of hospital bed?
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/1951055
If so, I thought it was QJ-E (? serial) as illustrated here:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Crashed_Spitfire_92_Sqn_near_El_Alamein_1942.jpg
The bends in the prop look the same. Or am I wrong?
Thanks for your detailed update, Robin. I certainly was unaware of much of that documentation.
As you know, my main involvement was to follow up on the DNA analysis of the bones found some miles away from the aircraft by the ARIDO team. Without repeating what we have discussed over the years, we are still unsure of
1. Where the bones are now (one set or two?)
2. Whether they were tested for DNA
3. Why the Egyptian pathologists apparently said they were too old or contaminated for analysis, yet said they were from the same person. (Note: DNA does not give us information about age)
4. What the Cairo Embassy in fact knew about this testing or lack of testing.
The Kittyhawk is taken care of, maybe not in they way most of us would have liked, but Dennis Copping remains missing. Maybe now is the time to accept that that is the end of the story (as some have suggested), but I, for one, find that unsatisfactory, and I believe the family feel the same way.
Moggy: it seems from the Telegraph article that the RAFM knew that there were plans to display the aircraft at El Alamein: The process to achieve delivery to the UK was complicated by the political situation in Egypt. The government there said they intended to display it at the El Alamein Museum.
In http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?p=219575 “Karoband” reports:
from O’Connell, Production Log, (2005), p. 177:
500492 Me 262 A Between 17:30 and 17:47 on 29 April 1945 Ofw. Albert Bruck of
2./Fl.U.G. 1 made the 95 km. ferry flight from Munchen-Brunnthal to Innsbruck-Reichenau where it was 30 percent damaged on landing.
I was just sent this certificate of Dennis Copping’s inscription on the El Alamein memorial. Maybe it has already been posted, but if so I can’t find it.
mmitch: Sadly we don’t know whether his bones are still in the desert. At various times since 2012 we have been told the bones found by ARIDO were collected by the Egyptians and tested for DNA, and that none was found due to the age of the bones and their situation, that DNA testing WAS done but we never saw the results, that a second set of bones was found, but this was later denied. You can find all these data in the thread, but basically the information comes from ARIDO, the Defence Attache in Cairo, and (indirectly) from the Cairo pathologists. I offered to get the bones DNA tested here, but there was no follow-up, and I believed that testing would be done in Cairo, but the whole business was shrouded in mystery and we are none the wiser today. So the bones in the desert, if there are any, might not be those of Flight Sergeant Copping.
Propstrike: as I said in my post 2341 above, to my knowledge there is NO memorial to Flt Sgt Copping. The least we might expect of the museum people is that details of the pilot’s story be told.
Thanks Bruce. I missed the details
I wonder what was in Kennet’s contract. I have seen the word “recover” used, but does that mean take from desert to museum car park, or deliver to Hendon, cash on delivery?