Not blaming you Dave. Sorry if it looked like it. I’m just feeling so upset by the news since yesterday that I reacted to that, very apt, old post of yours. My remark was tongue-in-cheek. Sorry.
I’m just reading through the thread from the beginning. Long job. I thought i would highlight a remark by Dave Homewood on 20.4.2012. It was when there was doubt about the authenticity of the original photos from our Polish friends:
People refuse to believe it’s real because you cannot see the bloody shark’s mouth!!
Maybe he shouldn’t have said that – someone at the museum was perhaps listening.
As far as I can see, there is no mention of the history of the aircraft, how it was found and how it got there. Above all, no mention of Flight Sergeant Copping. Or maybe there is some information inside the museum. Unless this aspect of the tragedy is dealt with, and spelled out, it just becomes another brightly painted “Spitfire” that visitors will not relate to time and place and circumstances. I wonder who was ultimately responsible for what has happened, at the museum end I mean. Why was the decision made and why those markings?
Robbo: thanks for the information.
I looked at the photos on that site. To add insult to injury the notice (that I assume is posted next to the aircraft) tells us that it is a “P40B Kitty Hawk”. I thought it was in fact ET574, a P-40E Kittyhawk. Splitting hairs? Not in view of the fact that this is supposedly a reputable military museum, and also in view of what they have done to the relic.
Very sad indeed. I agree with Tangmere1940 above that the important thing is to try to find and test those bones we discussed in such detail earlier in this thread. In spite of pestering the UK authorities, and trying to follow up what the Italians originally found and what the Egyptians did or did not do, we got essentially nowhere at the time. Now a bit more clandestinity seems to have been perpetrated concerning the aircraft. I can’t find any Facebook (or other for that matter) reference online, as Robert Edward mentioned in post 2304.
Feeling bad
Heresy Denis! But a nice legend.
I confirm the oil story. On a planned trip to Orland in Norway, in 1961, just before the Farnborough one I referred to in my post above, we set off with Flt Lt Lambert in XB284.We didn’t even get as far as our first scheduled stop, at Leuchars, due to another episode of Beverleyitis. So back to Abingdon. We finally got to Leuchars late in the same day and next day we did Leuchars-Orland-Abingdon for a total of 12 hours 10 minutes for the two days!
My ears are indeed still ringing.
Regarding Beverley formations. In 1961 I was in Oxford UAS and luckily had some good friends in 47 Squadron at Abingdon. I got several interesting trips in their Beverleys, including some nice formation stuff. On 8 September 1961 we set off with six Beverleys from Abingdon on our way to the SBAC display at Farnborough, landing at Odiham on the way. I was in XB285 with Flt Lt Lamb. We then did the short hop to Farnborough (this time I was in XB263 with Flt Lt Smith) where we landed in the middle of a mock battle with bomb bursts and smoke all around. We took off sharpish and landed back at Abingdon after a fly past and break.
I wonder if any forumites were in the audience that day!
My 3 pictures are cockpit view, in flight, and the break.
Did someone say Beverleys were noisy? Maybe, but I never noticed it as I was enjoying myself so much.
Monsieur Ancien: to stop the thread creep I’ll send you a picture of G-AFVT privately.
Reopening this old thread just to say to “1946” (post 8) that I took this photo of G-AIGL at Westwood airfield (former RAF Peterborough) in 1952, just before it was exported. 1946: do you still have it? As to IGM, I flew it at Marshalls, Cambridge in 1959.
AnthonyG: re the fate of G-AIGL, see
https://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?99746-Auster-fates
“1946” wrote in 2010:
I own the previous Auster reg, G-AIGL. Any help on the history of that aircraft, ie owners and flights, I do have the orignal journey book for the aircraft, but would like some more information on it. It is now registered VH-AIK.
“1946” also wrote on Pprune in 2006: VH-AIK (ex G-AIGL exported in 1952) and is kept at Cambridge airport, Hobart, Tasmania, Australia.
So I saw it at Westwood just before its export.
An excuse for photos of Austers! Autocrat G-AIGL at Westwood (Peterborough) in 1952. There were several based there at the time and others used to fly in. I still have my spotter’s logbook if anyone is interested.
The Comet cockpit referred to above is at the Al Mahatta Museum (the site of the old RAF Sharjah), not Dubai. https://sites.google.com/site/lgarey/rafsharjah%2Calmahattamuseum
Comet R2 XL655 ex G-AMXA. ELINT with 51 Squadron, well-known hardish (!) landing at Strathallan, then nose on Gatwick roof for 10 years before being restored for Al Mahatta in 2007.
Not a surviving Aldon, but a surviving, and flying, Bf108 B-1 is HB-HEB at Lausanne. Built in 1938, wn 1988, bought by the Swiss Army in 1938 as A-201, it was on display at Zurich Airport for 30 years. It was restored starting in 2001 with its new first flight in 2011, as A-201. My photo is at Lausanne, soon after its restoration, when I was minding the flight line and was close to the action.
It’s not that we don’t care about you. We DO care. It’s just that most of us seem to be getting notifications. For instance I got a notification about your post in Notifications.
Great pictures and a nice report. Note, the first “Auster” in the first post is Argus KK527/G-RGUS.