Forgot to mention – it’ll also be difficult to just view it as well, from one side of Airspace you’ll have the Canberra, Canuck, Whirlwind and Dove in the way of it (by the way you’ll have a hard job getting a good luck at the Canuck as well, and the Jaguar and Harrier), and on the other side the Lysander, Tiger Moth and Re8!
You’re basing this on a 2D plan; let’s wait and see how visible the suspended aircraft are.
The Duxford F-100D should be 54-2165.
IT depends if you read Dan brown or not
And whether you recognise that his books are sold in the FICTION section of your local bookshop.
IT depends if you read Dan brown or not
And whether you recognise that his books are sold in the FICTION section of your local bookshop.
Wow. Any further info on this? What’s the recorded history of that incident, if any? My Googling has failed me.
How far do you have to run to get a pigeon airborne?
A good underhand lob ought to do it. Frantic fluttering and a loud plop will alert you to an aborted launch.
Let’s not forget the pigeons used for the same purpose. And they worked, too.
*cough* historic forum *ahem*
Depends whether you count V1s as pilotless aircraft or unguided missiles. Also depends on whether there were any shot down using onboard weapons, or just tipped out of control using the wash from the wingtip (though I can’t imagine all V1s shot down by Meteors were done so by this method).
Either way, it probably wasn’t what Royzee617 had in mind!
The interviewees in “Tempest at War” claim that tipping was very rare, and that doctrine in fact said that pilots should not do so, as the bombs were (or believed to be) rigged to blow if tipped. They emphasised off-beam cannon attacks (still very dangerous, needless to say).
Such a shame, but it seems our Gov just can’t afford anything that isn’t immediately essential to overseas commitments. Anything that it doesn’t have a signature on a contract for, at any rate. The last one was delivered in 1998, but I suppose only a handful were as new as that, and in technology terms it is/was outdated. Never stopped us operating obsolescent kit before though…
That Jamie Hunter book is well worth the purchase for anyone considering it.
A good guy to talk to would be Dave Morris, chief engineer at the Fleet Air Arm Museum. Dave just did an award winning restoration of the FAA’s Corsair, and for the most part, they took off many layers of paint and grime to get to the original stuff, as you suggest you want to do. Lots of rubbing and elbow grease, but a fabulous result. I think they’ve just done a book about the restoration. All the best.
Seconded! A groundbreaking approach executed to the highest standard and with limited resources.
“There will be some inevitable comparision of this aircraft with the quality of restoration done in the west. But it has to be remembered that the entire restoration of the Spitfire was done completely on a voluntary basis by the men of 41R&SU and at ‘zero’ cost. i.e. all the material used in the activity was surplus and would not have been put to any other use. Considering that fibreglass Spitfire replicas in the west can sometimes go into six figures (in dollars), having a near-complete spitfire with a iron-clad provenance at no-cost is a bargain any day!
And the whole process has not only preserved the original wreckage – but also the amazing story of MV459’s discovery for days to come.”
I think the quote above explains eloquently enough why this Spitfire has not reached the same standards as those in the west. They have done their best with absolutely nothing in the way of resources.
In the ‘Spitfire rich’ environment we live in it seems somewhat absurd to me that people are happier criticising than praising the efforts of 41RSU for what they have actually achieved. I wonder whether European restorers efforts would be any different if they had similar resources and finances to the team in India?
Regards,
kev35
With respect Kev, I’m not buying that line. They clearly had enough material to “fill in the gaps”, and the meanest amount of research would have given them the correct shapes (nose profile and cockpit area being the most obvious failings). They finished it, but it’s completely the wrong shape. I may be missing something, but how would striving for an accurate shape use up more money or manpower? The only thing it might take more of would be time. If that was for some reason an issue, then fair enough. The failure here would appear to be in the amount of research undertaken – could this not have been done beforehand? I realise that it’s easy to criticise from our “first-world” position, but I don’t see why anyone else in the world shouldn’t hold themselves to some very basic standards. It is, of course, theirs to restore as they feel able and see fit. But when you put yourself and your work in the public domain, you must expect criticism. I hope they and others take it on board and learn from it. As someone said, it’s entirely possible to improve upon it in future; perhaps these guys were indeed working to some imposed deadline… in which case, well done. If time was not an issue, then… much of the criticism here and elsewhere is justified, I’m afraid.
Spot on, Steve! How many dataplate restorations are there out there? I’ve no doubt some of them are beautiful things but are they really an original Spitfire/Hurricane/whatever?
And whether you like the banana Spitfire or not is our record in Britain whiter-than-white? You only need to look at the Southend Lincoln, the Beverley at Hendon, Bedsheet Bomber… You could put up a decent argument that the first two of those are/were considerably more important than another Spitfire! Much as I love them, there are plenty to go round. The Lincoln is one of just two and has spent years rotting outdoors in a heap, while as for the Bev…
Adrian
Yes, but (and without wishing to offend) so what? How does “our” record, for better or worse, affect how another country’s citizens carry out restorations of historic aeroplanes? Only if we’re trying make this a widdling contest, and (I hope), we’re not.
Doesn’t sound like anything unnormal. All they are doing is making sure that their material is used for a Positive outlook. Private use free of charge, printed material, “well only if you print what we want you to print otherwise never again etc”.
Dude, you already paid for the typhoons with your tax’s. why do you want to pay more 🙂
Same rules apply here in Australia. I have had to deal with the RAAF on some issues recently. They allowed me to go flying with the Roulettes for a few days. While I have a copy of the images, it is no secret that they are in fact Crown copyright as I was invited to participate etc etc. For them to be used in any way, I have to seek permission. I can not use them otherwise. Once Permission is granted. no money is paid and no money is allowed to be made from it by me.
It’s all about PR.
Not just PR (and brand recognition into the bargain), but income generation. Witness the infamous copyright issues over the “RAF” roundel. I may have to pay for a bit of a Typhoon, but I don’t have to purchase Crown photos unless I really want a high-res version of a specific photo. I’m not saying they’re out for every penny (they are very reasonable when it comes to educational uses), but MoD and the various services have to consider today’s commercial and cultural situation and try to get their slice.
Since when has the crown started to charge for use of their images.
You might like to check out the T&Cs of this little gem: http://www.defenceimagedatabase.mod.uk/fotoweb/
(Eurofighter) Typhoons don’t come cheap. Why shouldn’t they charge the public for their photos? You might be thinking of the Crown Copyright >50 years ago rule which lets you use WW2 pics.