I think it would have been better if it had been left in bits instead of badly mocked up. As it is you cannot see what is original and what isnt (bar the obvious) so their efforts obviously centered on they making it look like it was a complete genuine aircraft.And that is where the problem lies, there efforts center on making it look ‘great’ when it so obviously isnt and didnt need to be.
Personally I think it would have been far more reflective of that spitfire’s story to simply host/preserve the dried out remains as found.I think the story of finding it, or how it got to its final place and its active life is far more informative/unique than to have yet another spitfire to gaze at.
Sure at some point in the future someone will probably get hold of it, junk the junk, junk the original bits and build an entirely new one, and that is probably no better.
Q: Do all the bits that all the resto shops junk when they ‘restore’ an aircraft go in the scrap bin or back on museum aircraft never likely to fly again? do they exchange the next best and recycle the fleet.?
I tend to agree. Either display the remains, preferably with some sort of conservation effort, and tell the story of that aircraft, its pilots, ground crew and squadron: Or do a complete number on it so that its at least representative of the Spitfire as a type, can be used to tell people there about their country’s and the Commonwealth’s role in WW2, and will last that much longer. This Frankenstein’s monster serves neither purpose, and to congratulate the “restorers” in a condescending “ah, bless, at least they had a go” way, doesn’t do anyone any favours. I don’t need to go into some of the superb restoration efforts undertaken elsewhere with near-zero cash and manpower. Why should it be any different in this case?
There’s the Channel 5 Hurricane recovery (well documented on here). I heard of a successful application to recover a “Messerschmitt” somewhere in Essex this year. Other than that you’ll need one of the amateur aviation archaeologists to pipe up.
Also, it’s pedantry really, but the British spelling of archaeology is with an “a”. It might help with forum searches (I think Google automatically accounts for such variations).
and not too many animators. I don’t want to be watching “Catch the Pigeon”.
And a different director. In fact, let’s hope he puts himself in a cryogenic chamber or something and hands the whole thing over to his chum Shpiegelbeagle.
Converting one back to FRS1 is quite a task.
– Nose profile including radome is different.
– 14″ fuselage plug inserted into the rear fuselage
– Modified leading edge to the wings
Plus the completely different cockpit layout.Its probably why the FAAM nailed an FRS1 cockpit onto a Harrier GR3 for their preserved example – it was easier !
The cockpits are pretty well stripped anyway, but I had forgotten about the kinked leading edge. But I spoke to a Harrier type (preservation) last year who seemed to think the whole thing was achievable (for a museum to consider anyway). No doubt it was easier to slap together a replica. Does anyone know which GR.3 “volunteered” for the cross-dressing?
Does anyone else find that dummy with the projected moving (and singing..) face absolutely terrifying?
I hope one of them gets deconverted to FRS.1 spec. Shouldn’t be too hard, although it will certainly get harder to find radomes and cockpit parts.
Can anyone confirm the rumour that they planned to hang the TSR2 until they discovered the wing was only held on with 4 bolts?
That and there wasn’t a yard-arm big enough.
Can’t wait for the new installments about ‘battle damage repair your Tornadon’t F3 with David’s Isopon’ or, how about ‘Typhoo tea electronics made easy with this new, easy to follow manual’.
Trying to instill a shread of reality back into this, What next for Haynes? Hurricanes, Defiants, Lancasters….
Or (and this may be a little too “left-field”) how about doing some *sodding* cars??? Six years after launch and they still haven’t done a Seat Ibiza Mk.3 manual!!!!
Spitfires indeed. Mind you, some forumites might argue that between that and this:
…you don’t actually need car maintenance books…
So I suppose the question is….
Will Rob be at Legends?
so most of the g8 eu could perform the assalt on the falkland islands. is it relinet of ship born power?
could a small contrey like austrailer at great cost win or its it more relinet on LPH, LPD and aircraft carriers, would japan be able to win as well i know there a self defence forece but should they be capable of wining.
p.s im dislexic so spelling and putoation isn’t so good
In the era of spelling and grammar checkers, that’s really not an excuse.
Yes is damn well does make a difference to me and I am sure it will a difference to other people in my predicament.
Now let me explain
Last years admission 1 X Disabled Daughter £8.00
Last years admission 1X My wife as Carer £8.00
Last years admission 1 X Disabled (ME) Back broen in 4 places £8.00
Total £24.00Multiplied by 2 days = £48.00
This years admission £22.00 X 3 = £66.00 X 2 days =£132.00
£108.00 difference, so is does make a difference, see what I mean……… 😡
Rob, I’m not sure how you work that out. See http://duxford.iwm.org.uk/upload/doc/AirShowPrices2006.doc
The price for both disabled people AND carers is £10 on the gate, £8 in advance.
And if you’re debating pricing, I’d suggest laying off comments such as those in your first post e.g. IWM “giving a damn”. Where’s the relevance to event pricing? That’s where it stops being valid comment and becomes incoherent rant.
[edit – blimey, three simultaneous posts.]
Dear W/C Holden. Welcome to the forum.
I can remember being at RAF Halton in the last century and one of the old salts pointed out this individual in shorts and ‘T’ shirt running around the camp.
‘That’s W/C Holden. Engineering Officer. In charge of training here. He flew a Lightning a few years back. No bang seat. No helmet or comms. Did a couple of circuits and put it back down. Staish’s car was waiting for him when he landed.’
As a young sprog, I looked at this man in awe. The story has remained the same over the years.But I would still like to hear it from the man himself.
How about it Mr Holden?
Please??
As stated elsewhere, there *was* a (pinned) seat, but no canopy. Taffy’s full story is indeed posted here: http://www.caledonianchipmunks.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=241
The Phantom was/is with OFMC and was one that Mark Hanna flew in service.
And yes, it’s now part of IWM’s collection.
You mean “Phantom FGR.2, faithful RAF steed of the 1980s”, don’t you?
And everyone knows we’re buying surplus MiG-21s from Turkey as the new JCA – it’s a glimpse of the future.
I’ve seen this before, in promotional material for a certain well-known UK aviation museum. My guess is that MS Word doesn’t “know” the word “Supermarine” and people don’t know when to stop clicking “correct”…