Could the Litening III image be link16ed from the Tornado?
Not trying to say the Typhoon can’t use litening but just making sure it carries them over Libya.
Nic
3. MIG-29K:
* 2 billion USDs for 45 MIG-29K.2. Mirage 2000 H/TH:
* Frenchmen ask 2.2 billion USDs for upgrading 50 Mirage 2000 H/TH.Hilarious that an upgrade cost as much as a spanking new fighter
Maybe Dassault overpriced the bid to try and help the sale of Rafales to the UAE (so that they could sell their Mirages to India)?
Other than that we don’t know what or how many weapons are provided for either bid. An upgrade with Mica and Scalp isn’t the same as the purchase of Mig 29K without weapons for instance.
Nic
Scalp isn’t that expensive, and neither is the Mica, but yeah if you add Scalp to the mix it definately wouldn’t add up.
Scalp cost 850000 Euro / unit with development factored in
(total program cost of 382 million Euro for 450 unit)
Nic
Check Toans edit – he’s clarified the numbers. The Mirage numbers are pretty high considering there have been no reports (AFAIK) that the engines will be replaced.
Does the price include Mica missiles or something?
Nic
phew almost had a heart attack 😀
Let me get this straight:
The IAF says $2,2 bn is too much to bring 50 M2K to -5 Mk2 standard, but they are about to pay $5,2 bn to upgrade 68 Jaguars? :confused:
Dude 😮
Nic
But Libya had archaic SAMs not something like the S-300.
Iraq didn’t have S300 either.
Nic
about 400 km
Nic
The F-35 can release a weapon MUCH closer to a target than the Rafale can so the SDB1&2 work just fine. There is also JSM, JADM-ER, JSOW & JSOW-ER that can be carried internally.
One of the F-35’s icing layers (UAI) makes adding weapons the easiest upgrade on the F-35 (and easier than any other production fighter today). All that is needed is for Sagem to create the flight profile, certify separation, and the AASM could be flying on F-35s worldwide the next day, no block upgrade needed.
Add to that the fact that AASM is a add-on kit like JDAM, a US company (LM, Boeing, ATK, Raytheon, etc) could partner with Sagem to bring the AASM extension tech to the JDAM family.
btw, Stormshadow (Scalp EG) is being certified for the F-35, so no Rafale advantage there.
I was replying to the 4 gen planes comment. Stealth fighters can cruise at high altitude (but for how long until Ssomething catch up), and use SDB at long range.
Of course AASM could be added to other fighters, or a weapon similar could be developped, but for the moment only the Rafale provides such capability.
Nic
That’s a nice trick but it can be performed by most if not all 4. gen fighters…
You need a weapon of AASM type though. The trick won’t work with your average paveway. And Scalp EG can be added to the mix to improve effectiveness.
Nic
Stopping the payment of ransoms would stop piracy quite quick.
Sending special forces after the pirates on their home turf would help.
Nic
It was certainly a figure of speach, and besides that’s why Scalp-EG has been designed. Also Rafale is a ground hugger, which will help it avoid S300 batteries somewhat.
Nic
I can see no LDP on the pictures. That and the fact they operate with GR4s seem to indicate they don’t designate their targets?
Nic
The best compliment to SPECTRA is that naysayers are comparing it with the Growler 😀 This can only mean one thing, right?
Nic
As you can see: neither radar or EW on Rafale was capable of competing with F-16.
Put another way: How’s your 15 year ole computer doin’ these days ?
still bleeding edge ?On 1+ ton agile missiles, refer to Newtons 2nd law of motion
Erm, the article only mentions the range difference between the RBE2 and the block 60 radar, and all the EW talk has absolutely nothing to do with the block 60, so where do you get that the EW of the spectra is lacking compared to the EW of the block 60?
You are making stuff up I’m afraid.
Nic