I’ve read 1900L, although to be honest i’m dubious as it should use the same old Douglas envelope. Development given to Intertechnique.
Mre reliable info : http://www.air-cosmos.com/une-nouvelle-nacelle-nounou-pour-les-rafale-20261
It’s completely impossible to fit 1900L in the current envelope. The pod would have to be even bigger than the 2000L tanks (which would make sense though).
Nic
how much bring back payload on rafale M ?
Not enough to bring back two scalps.
Nic
Stop the BS Levsha, you are ridiculous.
But I’m mildly amused by the fact that you are claiming that the US friendly-fired on their foes 🙂
Nic
I would agree.
But one thing I don’t get.. some People are routing for a major increase in the US defense budget with Trump.
Eeeh, was’t Trump suppose to be the magic morgul wizard whom gonna fix US economy and trade deficits?
Lol, how is all this gonna work with increased defence budget?
Just transfer the costs of waging wars in many countries where the US has no business and use the funds to actually equip the USA with better equipment to keep an advantage against near peer.
If you stop the countless wars you would save quite a bit of cash.
Nic
as an apologist, you think France has unlimited funding?
1 st of all you’re tiring with your personal attacks. That’s already two in the thread.
Secondly, Rafale was designed with as many stealth feature as was deemed affordable after the Rafale Discret demonstrator was built. And even then numbers have been cost drastically.
So your proposition of a 5th gen aircraft is ludicrous. The Rafale was the most the French state could afford to keep funding the destruction of the country through socialism.
Nic
Both propositions are ludicrous.
Nic
mirage is very good. it is taiwan’s best plane. but very expensive. also they had to split ground attack and fighter versions into two different planes
It’s true for the Mirage 2000C/D, but the Mirage 2000-5 are multirole, except for french ones.
Nic
Perhaps, one day.
Until then let’s assume you made that up.
Too bad that’s not reflected in the contract prices 🙁
If they’re going to pay 100 mil per jet are you going to sell them for 70? Are you a communist or something? Offer and demand? Rings a bell?
Even so… 103 mil per plane is just journalist guesswork.
Nic
Program cost according to the senat was 43.6 billion euros (2011) based on the production of 286 Rafale (152 million euro per aircraft). Since France isn’t planning on a total force of 286, procurement costs will be lower but dev costs per airframe will be higher.
Depends on how many foreign orders.
If France only gets 225 planes instead of 286, it’s still 309 planes built including foreign orders.
The deal with the Rafale program was that the industry would pay 25% of the development cost & recoup the investment with export sales.
Nic
I did not say that… or anything like it.
Economy of scale is what makes the F-35 economically feasible. btw, Rafale deals for 24 is not over the course of one year, but several, so no 1 per month becoming 3. Dassault will stretch them out to keep teh line open as long as possible.
Dassault has been quoted publicly saying that they are going to churn out 3 per months soon. It’s not just 24 but 24 + 24 + 36.
Nic
I can’t read French, but the Rafale wiki says that the “Flyaway” cost of a F3+ Rafale as of 2010 is $110 million per this PDF:
https://web.archive.org/web/20120130003146/http://www.ccomptes.fr/fr/CC/documents/RPA/1_conduite-des-programmes-armement.pdf
This cost isn’t the fly away cost.
€142,3 Mln / plane is the total program cost, & €101 Mln is the total production cost including research & development. IE total cost per plane without operating for x number of years (contrary to 142,3 which is total cost of ownership).
Anyway it can’t be flyaway cost because flyaway cost is known to be € 68 Mln for Rafale C, € 73 Mln for Rafale B & € 78 Mln for Rafale M.
http://www.senat.fr/rap/a14-110-8/a14-110-818.html#toc288
Nic
Korean numbers were from over 2 years ago and did not have a Rafale to compare to. 2 years ago the F-35 was more expensive than it is today and is getting cheaper by the year. The Rafale/Eurofighter/F-15E are not getting any cheaper.
BS. Going from barely 1 Rafale per month to 3 per month and you think it doesn’t get cheaper? What are you on, seriously?
Nic
…have all for such a dramatic inflation (aside of Dassault higher spare cost to keep “nurturing” a network of said-so strategic contractors).
Care to substantiate that?
Nic
IIRC the Puma is a more comfortable ride, but I can’t recall where I have read it, so pinch of salt.
Nic