All aircraft encounter buffeting. Some less that others. Watching detractors desperately hunt for any perceived shortcoming when it comes to the F-35 is friggin’ hilarious. (I notice most seem to conveniently overlook the fact that the F-16 wouldn’t just be buffeting, it would be OUT OF CONTROL.)
Get real. Noone says no aircraft encounters buffeting to various degrees, but quoting buffeting as one of just two strong points of the F35 in BFM sounds desperate. Hilariously so.
Nic
So what’s the use of having more AoA than 30 in actual combat, except to bleed speed? Next thing you know the Cobra will be the be all & and all of dogfighting capability.
Nic
You are saying all those planes have no AoA limiter?
Fair call. I’d put bring it on in the same category. Actually there are a number of American posters who persist in making measured and reasonable posts in response to often quite egregious provocations (including from yours truly). You have to respect that.
You will notice that both of them have stayed away from this thread so that we only have the crop of the cream of F35 fanboys. Only those could assume that buffeting is a good thing for a fighter.
Nic
And why, pray tell, were these planes operationally limited to lower values despite having “demonstrated controllability at much high AoA”? :rolleyes:
Why?
Did you read (and understand) the first sentence YOU quoted from my post when you first replied to me in this thread? That’s why.
Lol indeed.
As it happens you’re wrong. The AoA is limited to prevent departure from controlled flight. In the F-35’s case it can push to 50 deg AoA before that happens.
Shedding speed is a necessary element of a high ITR min radius turn. No different in principle from a bike/car braking at corners.
& the best cars are those that corner the fastest. Case in point.
Anyway you know that what you are saying is bull. Many planes have demonstrated controlability at much higher AoA than their operational limit.
Nic
It may be difficult to understand why a fighter should be able to «brake» quickly.
lol
And me who thought AoA was limited on fighters because it prevents them to shed speed too quickly while manoeuvering.
haha he gets even better:
This buffeting serves as useful feedback
:eagerness:
So if I understand the guy right, the two main strengths of the F35 in BFM are:
– It sheds energy like a motherfnebber
– Buffeting
Nic
It just means they don’t know where it is based.
Nic
while we are at it, the west should fix a common anti ballistic solution together. a Missile defense for everyone.
no
I’m sorry but considering how the Russians are dressed on all those “only in Russia” youtube videos, I think we can’t complain about Russian camos.
Nic
Personally, I don’t “digg it” .. I think all russian airplanes would -aesthetically- look 100x better with western style paint jobs.
I disagree strongly. Very few western paint jobs are actually good looking. The Rafale paint job, or that of the Typhoon are utterly boring for instance.
Nic
Well considering the upgrade it would be wiser to keep them especially with commonality of weapons & avionics with the Rafale. But if you scrap the Mig 27, Mig 21 fleets alone you’d save huge amounts in operating costs.
Nic
The problem is not to purchase the Rafale or not, the problem is what conditions the Indian MOD requires for the purchase (ToT, make in India & so on).
Basically that increases the price at least 30%. So they should wonder if it’s really necessary, & if they shouldn’t opt for a pure off the shelf purchase. In the grand scheme of things, 36 Rafale could replace 3 times as many older IAF jets (Mig 21, Mig 23/27, Jaguar…). You’d save a big chunk of money if you retired three types & bought 36-48 or even 60 Rafales to replace all the older types.
Even retiring Mig 29 &/or Mirage 2000 would make sense if you concentrate on a three types AF with Su 30 MKI, Rafale & LCA to make up the numbers.
Maybe offer to sell those upgraded M2K to Brasil & the upgraded Mig 29s to Iran?
Nic
Having spent several minutes once standing within a couple of metres of an IRA bomb which luckily had a faulty timer so didn’t go off (it was spotted after I’d got on my train & gone), I think your post is offensive & bloody stupid. The bomb which nearly got me wasn’t ‘needed’ by anyone except the would-be murderers who planted it – & that’s true of almost all terrorism.
BS
lfalse flag, no other name for it
word