Who needs SEAD when you got F35? :eagerness:

Nic

any one in particular on wall street? any particular branch of the Judaeo Christian grouping you have in mind there nicholas10?

?hmmm?

I don’t know. Please do tell us.

Nic

Speaking of Egypt I have found this article very interesting:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-03/egypt-verge-engineered-civil-war

Just like most of zerohedge’s content btw.

I agree this thread should be moved to the general discussion though.

Nic

Could it be for “UN duties”?

Nic

I suppose that everyone and his dog agrees that Typhoon will lose out to a US product. They must just enjoy giving the sales team practice so they don’t annoy genuine prospects like other sales teams I can think of….

You’re right, I’m wondering why they even bother.

Nic

Maybe they could afford to operate Typhoons if they stopped funding Islamists in Syria. :eagerness:

Mind you, François hollande our traitor in chief had a meeting a short while ago with the leader of Syria’s islamist party or whatever to supply some weapons to the insurgency. I guess we wouldn’t need to export so much Rafales if we stopped financing aggression wars & terrorsits in Syria or Libya and spent the money on actually buying the plane.

Nic

So aside from the paranoid anti-globalization (?) rant, do you have anything constructive to add?

You do know that the “toys” we talk about on this forum (like “your” Rafale) aren’t designed to impress children at airshows…

Well, while you can say by my answer that I’m sickened by my country’s behavior in present times, you also get your answer about why modern navies don’t go for smaller more numerous ships. At least that’s my answer to the question, and I think I put it clearly enough: most armies right now are just aimed at being part of a UN coalition. If you don’t believe me just read some issues of DSI where they tackle this very subject and claim it’s a real risk for the french armed forces to be overly concerned with “interoperability”.

You’ve already made my point too:

Quoting yourself:

So basically optimized for sea control, special forces insertions, blockades, or prepositioned forces near failed statesand disaster areas. Aside from a gun for NGFS, armament is limited or non-existant, but provisions exist for future add-ons

Is Libya the disaster area & Syria the near failed state or is it the other way around. What about Mali where “we” fight those we helped in Libya & continue helping in Syria. I’m confused.

Nic

Well, the Gripen C version was pretty irrelevant since it isnt the one offered to Switzerland. All we know is that the E version scores above 6 in all areas (based on the Gripen Demo in 2012). There is still a lot of work to be done meaning the score will continue to improve.

That said I still think the Rafale is an exceptional aircraft. It is larger and heavier (~40% heavier) so it should carry more and fly greater distances.

Well anyway I was just replying to someone who was once again conveying the old myth that the EF is better than the Rafale in air to air. And in their 2008 incarnations the swiss rated the Rafale above in DCA & OCA. They also did with the “2012 prospective versions” which was my point.

I never said anything about the Gripen NG, and you may be right its rates could increase a bit as the uncertainty factore comes down. But it’s still a paper project and I won’t comment until we know how it turns out and @ what cost.

Nic