I don’t understand your lack of comprehension.
The writer means that ski-jumps allow modern fighters to take off of carriers without using a catapult. Not hugely controversial, is it?
He also supplies additional information in a second clause that allows us to understand that by “modern jet fighters” he means fighters like the MiG-29, F-15, Su-27, etc. These were the first generation of fighters to have thrust to weight ratios routinely exceeding 1:1 with light loadings.
Due to the grammar of the sentence, this is separate to the first part of the sentence. The writer claims only that modern jet fighters can take off from ski jumps, not that a fighter requires a thrust to weight ratio of greater than 1:1 before it can take off from a carrier using a ski-jump.
That WOULD be nonsense unworthy of a trusted source.
Gollevainen, there are two words that are generally used to introduce a subordinate clause in English, “that” and “which”.
If I say
“I threw the ball at the wall, which was painted red”
I am saying that I threw the ball at the wall, and that (separately) this wall was red. This additional clause is NOT needed to understand my meaning, but is providing additional information to you.
If I say
“I threw the ball at the wall that was painted red”
I am saying I threw the ball specifically at the red painted wall. The fact that the wall was painted red is important to my sentence, and not just additional information.
People do use the wrong word sometimes in modern English. The comma is the final proof of the author’s meaning.
So in modern English I might say
“I threw the ball at the wall, that was painted red.”
Here the comma makes it clear that the second clause is a relative cause, providing supplemental information. Strictly, this is incorrect usage, but quite common.
Likewise
“I threw the ball at the wall which was painted red”
the lack of a comma indicates that the writer specifically wanted to indicate the red painted wall, despite the choice of the wrong word.
So finally, to mean what you thought, the sentence would have to be:
“That suffices to launch modern jet aircraft that have thrust to weight ratios higher than 1”
or, slightly less correctly
“That suffices to launch modern jet aircraft which have thrust to weight ratios higher than 1”
Time for an English lesson
“That suffices to launch modern jet aircrafts, which have thrust-to-weight ratios better than 1”
“aircrafts” is wrong. It should be “aircraft”. I assume this is an error by the person who typed the quote in.
“aircraft, which”
‘Which’ normally introduces relative clauses (as opposed to “that”), and the comma makes this certain. This means the information in the clause that follows is supplemental information to the sentence, and is providing optional information to help us understand what the author means by “modern fighters”. We could therefore write this, which would be identical in meaning:
“That suffices to launch modern jet aircraft. Modern jet aircraft have thrust to weight ratios higher than 1”
Therefore your entire argument is based on a misunderstanding of the book, which is easily excusable if English is not your first language. You are mistaken, however, and should admit it.
I am a native English speaker and have a 1st class honours degree (BA) in English.
The Conway’s quote simply says that the skijump allows modern fighters (which have t/w ratio of 1:1) to take off.
It IN NO WAY says that that a 1:1 thrust ratio is necessary to take off from a skijump. It says modern fighters are necessary, and defines “modern fighters” as those with a 1:1 thrust ratio (which is true only in very specific circumstances). Essentially, it is saying that modern fighters have greater thrust than older ones, and hence can take off without a catapult in some circumstances, whereas older fighters (e.g. F-4 Phantom II) don’t have enough thrust to do it.
Clearly catapults allow launch at higher weights than a skijump. However, the STOBAR solution was an INTERIM solution pending construction of catapult equipped carriers. It allowed the Russians to gain experience in carrier operations.
It would have 2 bays, 1 for each 3M25, which would make carrying 3 launchers difficult. However, I thought Kh-55 length without rocket booster was 6m or so, which could fit twice into the 12.8m of the 3M25- so perhaps it could have carried 2 x 12 round rotary launchers for an internal load of 24 Kh-55.
Tu-160M would have had additional segments of about 4m total added to the length, in order to lengthen the weapons bays to accommodate two 3M25A Meteorit-A missiles.
According to Yefim Gordon, there was a project to modernise the Tu-160 with improved NK-74 engines with better fuel efficiency, a modern digital avionics suite, and precision guided munitions. This may be the same as the late 80s Tu-170 non-nuclear bomber project mentioned by Piotr Butowski.
Actually, its only the Su-24M which has built-in laser designation.
Total production of the Su-24 was about 1,400, but I don’t know what proportion were Su-24M.
I’m still not sure why Flogger thinks some ex Mikoyan designer talking on a Russian TV program about how he heard maybe that the F-117 was shot down by a MiG-29 constitutes anything more than hearsay. Yes, that was one theory, but its completely discredited and has been for years.
Mikoyan are not exactly going to be a neutral source on MiG-29 performance are they?
I’d just like to point out that the MiG-31 can’t point its radar 90 degrees up or down. Just a minor flaw in the plan, along with the lack of any MiG-31s in Iran.
Actually, it is possible to theoretically detect GPS signals. Any antenna that recieves a signal will retransmit a small amount of the signal out again. That’s how the TV detector vans in the UK can find people with TVs who haven’t paid their license- they detect the TV signals re-radiated from the offenders TV aerials.
So even a passively receiving antenna could theoretically be detected.
Ok CLEAR WAR, you got us. There are only 10 F-15s left after the massacre in Bosnia. In order to protect the USAF’s reputation, a clandestine fleet of stealth configured C-5X are ferrying them around the world with a crack team of onboard spray painters recreating the various unit markings en route.
For a conventional aircraft, the rearward position of the wingtips would adversely affect stability when the AAMs were fired. Aircraft with wingtips near the Centre of Gravity don’t suffer from this. However, in the days of FBW, this should be fairly trivial to compensate for.
A force of MiG-31s with upgraded Zaslon-AM radar, R-33S and R-77 would certainly be a handful for the F-15 to deal with, if flown by competent pilots.
Can a Eurofighter match up against the SU-37? Isn’t SU-37 twice as fast as the Euro?
This tells you everything you need to know about the poster.
Personally I’d go for Gripen. I can buy more of them than Typhoon or Raptor, its designed for low maintenance, and fitted with IRIS-T and Meteor and the latest avionics fit I have a pretty potent AA fighter.
Sean, you should know better 🙂
You know Flogger’s attitude. All sources are equally valid. If someone, somewhere claims something that contradicts someone else, we can never know which is correct. If I say I shot down an F-117 that flew over my house yesterday, but the USAF denies any loss, they must be covering it up.
As for “CLEAR WAR” he clearly dwells in a fantasy where the Serbs are gonna get their big older brother Russia (he knows karate) to beat up the USA/EU in revenge for the US beating them up badly in 1999. Oh, hang on, is that the war where the mighty Serbs shot down half the USAF? Why do Serbia need Russia’s help?