We have a number of Herons preserved in Australia:
http://www.aarg.com.au/heron.htm
http://www.qam.com.au/aircraft/heron/VH-KAM.htm
Including the DH Heron Prototype
http://www.raafawa.org.au/wa/museum/collect.htm
Hope this is of interest
Regards
Mark Pilkington
actually qldspitty,
this evening I have been watching home DVD video sent to me by mail today from the US of the former CAF Cat in 1986 when it was airworthy with the Pacific wing, @ 1 hour of home videos of engine runs and internal walk throughs, hard to believe it went down hill so far and so close to being scrapped.
regards
Mark Pilkington
In my spare time today I nominated an historic RAAF Base to the Australian Commonwealth Heritage List, yesterday I donated my Ceres Cropduster (cockpit) to a Volunteer Museum who came and dragged it away to a better life, and over the weekend I dragged all my Wackett Trainer parts out of the shed and got inspired.
JDK:
And working on the website of a real (replica) aeroplane project I’ll be able to talk about in a week or so.
Its a pity someone doesnt get a Bristol Boxkite replica underway for various up &coming centenaries, that would make a great website project to follow? – smiles.
Tonight I am relaxing reading about what others are doing, Not sure what I will do tomorrow -smiles, maybe start a Voisin Replica to keep up with the Joneses (or the Grettons) -smiles
regards
Mark Pilkington
Ross,
fantastic to see a new Proctor fuselage under construction, I am sure Leigh would be green with envy, but pleased to see the progress you are making.
Let me know exactly what details at the rear of the cockpit you are seeking and I will see what Hi Res digital photos I can take for you of VH-AUC at Moorabbin, (and if required I can see if I can get access to DUL if required as well??)
http://www.aarg.com.au/Proctor.htm
regards
Mark Pilkington
Gents,
I have recently traded my ADC Cirrus II 90hp parts for an incomplete ADC Cirrus I 60hp display engine and are now chasing parts to complete it for museum display. (the mark II parts are going into a runnable engine rebuild)
I have therefore edited my original ad above and “thread title” to reflect that.
I am after 2x cylinder barrels, 3x cylinder heads, carb, manifold and accessories, in any condition suitable for a static display engine??
I am interested in parts from either the mark I or mark II.
regards
Mark Pilkington
Kermits Lancaster “kit” is largely based on KB976 despite the Hangar collapse, based on the parts of KB976 and KB994 elsewhere it would seem the containers hold:
KB976
Wing outer panels, Wing Centre-section, Cockpit, tailplanes, fins & rudders and I assume Engines and props.
KB994
rear (mid upper turret) fuselage section
Tail (rear turret) fuselage section
Based on the number of containers required to shift the Lincoln from Sadtoft the 5 high-cube (9′) containers and 3 standard containers shown in the photos could easily be accomodating all of those parts, although the Lincoln Centre Section was too large even for a enclosed high cube container and required an open top, the centre-section of KB976 was understood to be in pieces for repair when acquired by Kermit?
At least Kermit did acquire the major KB976 kitset and has it safely under lock and key, and more importantly under cover, so it did not trapse around the UK in a derelict state, or got split up into smaller seperately owned piles of parts as happened to the remaining parts from Charles Church’s Lancaster/Lincoln holdings.
The remainder of KB976 that Kermit didnt acquire was passed on from Charles Church to Aces High with the “Tail” fuselage ending up on display at Aeroventure in the UK, and the and rear (mid upper turret) fuselage section passed onto Imperial Aviation at Sandtoft along with the stripped cockpit and centre-section (covered wagon section of fuselage but with spars and wing ‘stubs” removed in Canada) from KB994, the Sandtoft parts have been subsequently acquired and shipped down under as part of the Lincoln RF342 acquisition.
Therefore most of Kermits Lancaster is KB976 less 2 sections of fuselage which are KB994, and probably best described just as “KB976”
Most of the Lancaster parts we have acquired and shipped downunder with the Lincoln are from KB994 other than KB976’s rear (mid upper turret) fuselage section, these fuselage sections are expected to be restored to a fuselage display and nothing beyond that- probably best described as being “KB994”, although by length or weight its more truelly a hybrid fuselage of both IDs.
The future of Kermits Lancaster project may be uncertain but at least its stored all together and under cover, for him to eventually, or someone else to undertake.
I would agree with others that there is no urgency for Kermit to commence restoration, and certainly no logic in repatriating it back to Canada where there is already 10 Lancs in varying need of increased support and care, I personally think a Lancaster on display within the US is an excellent preservation and display outcome for future generations.
There is also as JDK stated little prospect of the Australian/NZ Lancs being “resurrected” one is a rare mark 1 combat veteran and National Icon, the other 2 are mark VII aircraft but both are undercover and well loved by their respective collections.
I think our generation is a little too demanding to expect ALL aircraft projects to be under restoration, (and under restoration to fly) to suit our own time lines, its more important that all of these airframes are conserved or preserved from further deterioration, and then made available for many generations besides us, and not neccessarily all in the air?
Restoration to ground running is an exellent “half way house” of bringing history to life again without the financial costs, operational complexities, risks and compromises that airworthy restoration can dictate?
If that means Kermits aircraft doesnt hit the workshop until 2030 does that really matter? as long as its stored appropriately in the mean time?
I also think that we dont really know and appreciate how good we have it, two Lancasters airworthy, another 2 ground running with perhaps 1 more airworthy/ground runner in the offering? currently we have 10% of the survivors flying, not a bad result, and given only @20 complete airframes survive they are a rare and endangered species to be operating in terms of operational spares and risks of loss, ignoring the complexities and costs.
I personally think our generation, and perhaps the next, will see “peak-warbirds”, as equivalent to peak-oil, at least for WW2 vintage aircraft.
The number of unrestored/available wrecks or derelict/abandoned airframes are dwindling rapidly in the last 20 years, after a major increase in activity in the 20 years before that after the “battle of Britain” and Tora Tora Tora springboarded the warbird movement.
National and public collections are occasionally acquiring airworthy aircraft to complete their collections, while the operational parts for certain engines, tyres, undercarriage legs etc are all drying up, other than for high demand types such as Spitfires, Mustangs, P40s, T6 and T28 where new-built parts are flourishing through the demand, or the inventory of NOS stocks will last for many years? Thats also not to take into account the attrition and losses airworthy aircraft have suffered and unfortunately will continue to suffer either through pure “accident”, pilot error or equipment failure.
More unique/orphan aircraft will be harder to support ongoing, will suffer metal fatigue life issues with spars etc that require expensive and uneconomic maintenance/repair and overhaul.
(In Australia an AD to put inspection panels along the wings of Tiger Moths and regularly inspect the wooden spars has dinted the Tigermoth market price considerably)
We are already seeing younger generations pilots wanting to fly aircraft of their own vintage, hence the T28s, DragonFly’s etc dispersing the market, and the lower level warbird market of Nangchangs etc, all of which may make 4 and 2 engined bombers and even single engined piston fighters expensive and difficult for anyone other than large operators such as CAF to undertake.
The other issue for warbirds in the next 30 – 50 years will not only be spares for the WW2 piston engines, but also the high octane fuels, “global warming” reactions threatens a massive shift away from fossil fuels in the longer term, few of our Warbird engines are certified for automotive fuels, none are likely to be certified for ethanol? or combined cycle gas or hydrogen that future automotive developments may deliver?
I therefore think the current situation of two flying lancasters is something we should be cherishing.
regards
Mark Pilkington
Dave,
if you dont find a cockpit project dont forget we have plenty of cockpits with the rest of the airframe attached over at the Museum at Moorabbin in need of active members:
DC2
DC3
Viscount
Beaufort
Lincoln
Catalina
are all seeking static display restoration team members.
We have current work progressing on cockpit fitout of the Firefly, aero engine refurbishment on RR Kestral.
We also have need of people with an interest in woodwork to join our BA Swallow restoration team.
Consider joining and getting involved:
http://aarg.com.au/howyoucanhelp.htm
regards
Mark Pilkington
Secretary
Australian National Aviation Museum
for those interested?
Here are some pics of the DAP Beaufort Bomber project at the Australian National Aviation Museum at Moorabbin Airport, showing the restored cockpit undertaken by Ralph Cusack, and the unrestored fuselage sections – part of the massive amount of Beaufort spares acquired from Ralph Cusack as surplus to his airworthy restoration of A9-141.
The Museum is dispatching a 40 foot container to Brisbane to acquire the remaining parts acquired which include tailplane, wing outer panels, narcelle structure and dis-assembled flying control surfaces.
When completed the Museum’s Beaufort will become one of 6 remaining world wide.
Regards
Mark Pilkington
http://aarg.com.au/Beaufort.htm

for those interested?
Here are some pics of the Lincoln arriving (in installments) at the Australian National Aviation Museum at Moorabbin Airport, showing one of the two wing outer panels that arrived in early March and the wing centre section that arrived in early April.
Regards
Mark Pilkington
http://aarg.com.au/Lincoln.htm

Peter,
That photo is one of two GAF built former RAAF Canberra’s A84-238 and A84-248, on “display” at the Willowbank Caravan Park in Queensland Aust, both aircraft are complete airframes but with smashed cockpit and nose glazing, both would be worthwhile static restoration projects and hopefully both will survive to be restored as more than just cockpit projects.
There is seperately, and elsewhere, a GAF Canberra cockpit already cut off suitable as a stand-alone cockpit project.
Regards
Mark Pilkington

Peter,
That photo is one of two GAF built former RAAF Canberra’s A84-238 and A84-248, on “display” at the Willowbank Caravan Park, both aircraft are complete airframes but with smashed cockpit and nose glazing, both would be worthwhile static restoration projects and hopefully both will survive to be restored as more than just cockpit projects.
There is seperately, and elsewhere, a GAF Canberra cockpit already cut off suitable as a stand-alone cockpit project.
Regards
Mark Pilkington

Dave Soda,
there are a few cockpits around in Australia that sit outside museum collections and would seem possible to acquire for cockpit restoration purposes, this includes at least one Canberra cockpit and one DC3 Cockpit that I am aware of,
There are also cockpits available in the USA that would make worthwhile imports, I am aware of an ex RAAF F4 Phantom that has been imported into Qld.
In addition cockpit replicas such as Spitfires and Lancasters have been undertaken in the UK and elsewhere
send me a PM or email for any leads on the above if you wish?
regards
Mark Pilkington
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Has Mr Allen purchased the former IWM TIII? or is that still owned locally in the UK?
Either way does any one have a status update on it?
regards
Mark Pilkington
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I attended the Avalon Airshow on Sunday and saw the X-1 “replica” on display, it is obviously not 100% scale and is more a “facsimile” than a true replica with simply painted canopy etc.
I took some photos myself but found this photo on an Australian forum that shows the item in its fullest glory.
I couldnt identify who might own it? but it was associated with Chuck Yeager’s award by the Royal Aeronautical Society so eith they or Airshows Downunder would be the best contacts should this item be of further interest to you? and to find out its future availability?
[email]airshow@airshow.net.au[/email]
[email]MelbourneBranch@RAeS.org.au[/email]
regards
Mark Pilkington

Tom,
sorry to hear about your setbacks with the PBY, do you have any photos you can share of its current condition, its history, and how it came to be in its current location?
regards
Mark Pilkington