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June 25, 2007 at 2:20 pm in reply to: Now here is an interesting formation… #1262770

mark_pilkington
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I too felt the photo looked doctored, particularly the hunter looking superimposed over the Lightning.

However Paul is correct, which caused me to review a book which details the rebuild and “first” life of Bristol’s Company’s Bulldog Demonstrator G-ABBB/K2227.

The photo is reported in detail on page 152 to have been taken in September 1961 following the Bulldog being flown to RAF Coltishall

“now with Godfrey Auty at the controls to join with No. 56(F) squadron’s Hawker Hurricane, Gloster Meteor, Hawker Hunter and EE Lightning in order to participate in a Battle of Britain Flypast”.

“The next day a photographic sortie was arranged in which four of the aircraft would attempt a formation pose, with the photographs being taken from the Meteor…. Air Chief Marshall Sir John Rogers was piloting the Lightning on that day and recalls….”

“Due to runway re-surfacing at Wattisham the sortie was flown from Coltishall on 17 September 1961. we could not actually fly formation, even in a turn, as the minimum safe speed of the Lightning was some fifty knots above the maximum of the Bulldog. The Meteor was also some ten knots “too fast”, this we had to do a double fly-by, one on either side of K2227 and hope that the photographer got a reasonable shot…. The other difficulty was that it was a misty day with no horizon, not great for low level, low speed manoeuvring in a Lightning. In fact we almost got a close-up of Norwich Cathedral in one pass!”

“The outcome of that historic sortie was to be at least two memorable photographs, both of which are, to this day, proudly displayed at RAF Wattisham, the home of No 56(F) Squadron…..”

Attached is a copy of what I assume to be the “other” memorable photo, taken on the same day, of the Bulldog just with the Lightning, from page 154, titled as:

“Godfrey Auty in K2227 alongside Squdron Leader John Rogers in Lightning XM174 over Coltishall on 17 September 1961.”

JDK,

In regard to the painting of G-ABBB as K2227 page 151 records

“The Shuttleworth Collection felt that G-ABBB would be more in keeping with its “Brisfit” and “Gladiator” exhibits as well as more truly reflecting the large RAF usage of the type with the ten pre-war squadrons if it too were finished in military livery. A decision wwas therefore made to finish the Bulldog in No.56(F) Squadron’s red and white chequerboard markings, and to allocate it wirth one of their old Bulldog serial numbers – K2227. It was in this form that, on 12 September 1961, a handing over ceremony took place at Filton, with representatives of the Shuttleworth Trust receiving their new addition to the collection”.

regards

Mark Pilkington

Ref pg 151, 152 & 154 “Bulldog, the Bristol Bulldog Fighter” – David Luff

June 23, 2007 at 1:57 pm in reply to: New "Dambusters" film in "Sunday Express" #1264984

mark_pilkington
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well yes, it was meant to be both amusing and interesting, hopefully at least for some people, as it was actually a clip of computer generated Lancasters flying, including Dam Busters, and a Hercules engined Mark II, , somehow instead the link is now pointing at a clip from the “Windsor Historical Society”? and the flying Lanc in Canada, which is a worthy subject but of course makes no sense at all in regard to this thread or the title of my link.

so yes , – reference to the movie was misleading, For those who I have wasted their precious time, I am truelly sorry for you,

For those who aren’t quite so precious, hopefully the clip below will be of interest and perhaps amusing in light of this thread’s concern on CGI.

The clip is titled “Lancaster” from “justflight” and runs for 1.47 minutes, it contains CGI lancasters either from various flightsims or someones own private efforts, in any case interesting to me to see how such graphics are progressing in their animations and accuracy/otherwise, but again, it is not really from the movie!

however if that is not of ANY interest to you,
please – WARNING! –
do not click on the link,
your time will be wasted!,
and your life therefore shorted by nearly two minutes!
and please smile,
as there is certainly more to life
than sitting online on a computer in the first place!

for those still willing to risk those two minutes of life, here again is an attempt at that link!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfPT0Uxahiw&v3

I discovered the link is storing my original youtube search string which is why it was pointing at th wrong clip, I have now edited the link to be correct.

Here is the label explaining the background to the clip, and it is indeed from flightsim software.

The Avro Lancaster is probably the most iconic heavy bomber of WWII and rates alongside the Spitfire as one of the most recognised. The supreme combat aircraft designers at Aeroplane Heaven have carefully crafted this aircraft with due respect and memory to the tireless crews who flew in them. Lancaster is supplied in a variety of variants and liveries and all come with detailed crew stations that you can select to fly the aircraft from historic scenery of some of the more notable locations that the Lancaster is associated with is also included. Find out more at http://www.justflight.com

regards

Mark Pilkington

Its surprising what floats to the top when you stir the pot

June 23, 2007 at 4:25 am in reply to: New "Dambusters" film in "Sunday Express" #1265190

mark_pilkington
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CGI “Rushes” of new Dambusters Movie????

smiles, stirs the pot and sits back to watch it brew

Mark Pilkington

June 16, 2007 at 7:34 am in reply to: BCATP on U-tube, Harvards, Ansons, Battles & Yales #1272814

mark_pilkington
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Robbo,

The aircraft under “dispute” are the yellow and black target tow aircraft taking off at 1.00 minutes into the clip and then in formation with “peel offs” through to 1.15 minutes into the clip, they are definately radial engined, and with the obvious “pointy nosed” Battles elsewhere in the clip I assumed these were Taurus engined examples, however they could well be A-17’s as well.

Regards

Mark Pilkington

June 16, 2007 at 7:24 am in reply to: BCATP on U-tube, Harvards, Ansons, Battles & Yales #1272818

mark_pilkington
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Jerry

Good pickup, I think you are right, the “radial” engined Battles look like A-17’s, I wasnt aware of the A-17 being in both RAF and RCAF service, however there is plenty of close up shots of Merlin engined Battles still in the clip, as well as the Hudsons at the end.

The A-17 was based on the Gamma 2F, a private venture attack bomber. After suggesting several modifications, the U.S. Army Air Corps purchased 110 aircraft in 1934. Armed with four wing-mounted .30 caliber machine guns, it was more powerfully armed that contemporary pursuit (fighter) aircraft. An additional 129 improved A-17As with retractable landing gear were purchased starting in 1936.
In 1940, 93 A-17As were sold to Great Britain and Canada. Named “Nomad” most of these aircraft served in South Africa. Douglas also built this aircraft under the designation Model 8A selling them to Argentina, Iraq, the Netherlands, Norway and Peru. Several were commandeered by the U.S. Army and designated the A-33.

Darell,

the U-tube Bolingbroke is well worth watching as well,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTYLFzlPUgo&mode=related&search=

I guess without U-tube we would be watching John Wayne movie re-runs on the idiot box – smiles

Regards

Mark Pilkington

June 8, 2007 at 8:19 am in reply to: Aircraft turrets (any) #1281429

mark_pilkington
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Hi,

Flyernz,

I can confirm the turret you have is a FN11 Sunderland forward turret, we have a FN13 rear turret in our collection at Moorabbin Airport.

We would be very interested in acquiring and displaying this forward turret in our museum with our existing rear turret, if you are interested in parting with it?

I can be contacted via the museum email address at [email]info@aarg.com.au[/email]

regards

Mark Pilkington
Secretary
The Australian National Aviation Museum
http://www.aarg.com.au

June 8, 2007 at 2:34 am in reply to: LINCOLN TO AUSTRALIA #1281646

mark_pilkington
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Peter,

the parts are carrying dirt, spider webs, leaves and other material from its years in outside storage in “yards”, our import processes require such material to be removed via steam cleaning and dis-infectant treatment in a quarrantine environment to ensure soil bacteria, plant seeds, or inspects/animals dont enter Australia and affect native floura/fauna or agricultural activities or even public health, all of the lincoln parts being delivered have been going through this quarrantine / cleaning process.

Regards

Mark Pilkington

June 7, 2007 at 4:47 pm in reply to: LINCOLN TO AUSTRALIA #1282363

mark_pilkington
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Here are some pics of the latest arrival of Lincoln parts, taken at Melbourne port during quarrantine washdown, the centre-rear fuselage and one of the wing outer panel trailing edges with flaps and ailerons in place.

Regards

Mark Pilkington

June 7, 2007 at 1:58 am in reply to: Bombing trainer (building) help please #1282759

mark_pilkington
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The RAAF had a Celestial “Navigation” Trainer A63-1, at East Sale in a narrow circular two storey building.

I assume this was based on AM “Bomb Training” designs? the Friends of the RAAF Museum magazine had an excellent article on it with photos and a technical cutaway from a manual, I am sure JDK could lay his hands on a copy to scan in a couple of pics>

regards

Mark Pilkington

May 31, 2007 at 3:38 pm in reply to: LINCOLN TO AUSTRALIA #1289383

mark_pilkington
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for those interested,

The third 40′ container load of Avro Lincoln RF342 has now arrived in Melbourne for delivery to the ANAM, consisting of:

Centre-Rear Fuselage
(section containing mid-upper turret, aft of centre-section and forward of crew entry door)

Wing Outer Panel trailing edges

Engine Mounts, radiators, engine narcelles etc

These items are expected to arrive at the museum next week.

http://www.aarg.com.au/Lincoln.htm

Regards

Mark Pilkington

May 30, 2007 at 9:52 am in reply to: Aircraft turrets (any) #1291523

mark_pilkington
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I understand an FN16 Cupola from a Whitley forward turret has turned up in the collection of an Australian Museum.

I myself am interested in locating an Armstrong Whitworth hand operated turret for an early mark I Avro Anson, or at least a cupola/birdcage and as always ANY Avro lincoln Turrets.

regards

Mark Pilkington

May 23, 2007 at 3:19 pm in reply to: The Forum Virtual Aviation Museum #1298785

mark_pilkington
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I am pleased to revise my airframe holdings down by one, with the recent donation and delivery of my Ceres Cockpit to the Queensland Air Museum,

Commonwealth CA-28 Ceres prototype cockpit VH-CEX/SSV (“QAM”)
is now identified as the cockpit section from Ca28-19 VH-CEU

http://www.qam.com.au/aircraft/ceres/VH-CEU.htm

regards

Mark Pilkington

Auster J1/N Autocrat G-AJPZ frame (Rlangham)
Auster AOP.9 XK421 frame (Dave T)
Avro Anson C.21 anon’ cockpit (Dave T)
Avro Anson GR1 EG426 – “Static Project” (Mark P)
Avro Lincoln B2 RF342 – “Static Project” (Mark P)
Avro Shackleton AEW.2 WL756 nose/cockpit (Camlobe)
Beechcraft D.18s G-BKRN (philipturland and Texantomcat)
BAC Lightning 53-671/ZF579 (mjr)
Blackburn Buccaneer S.2B XX889 (Buccsociety)
Boeing B-17 Cockpit section-reproduction (B-17man)
Boeing B-17 Radio room-reproduction (B-17man)
Commonwealth CA-6 Wackett Trainer A3-167 Flying Project -(Mark P)
Commonwealth CA-6 Wackett Trainer A3-85 Flying Project (Mark P)
Commonwealth CA-6 Wackett Trainer A3-156 Static Project (Mark P)
Commonwealth CA-27 Sabre, A94-983 (Pete.PS)
Consolidated B-24 Cockpit section-reproduction (B-17man)
Consolidated PBY-5A “A24-387” N68756 Static Project (Mark P)
de Havilland Chipmunk ‘pax WP927 (Dave T)
de Havilland Chipmunk ‘pax anon’ (Dave T)
de Havilland Hornet F.MK.1 nose/cockpit – repro’ (dcollins103)
de Havilland Vampire FB.5 VZ193 pod (dcollins103)
de Havilland Vampire T.11 XD599 (philipturland and Texantomcat)
de Havilland Vampire T.11 XE985 pod (MarkG)
de Havilland Vampire T.11 XH313 (Vampire)
de Havilland Vampire T.11 XH328 pod ? (Bruce)
de Havilland Vampire T.11 WZ584 (Bruce)
de Haviland Sea Vixen FAW2 XN650 nose/cockpit (HMS Vulture)
Douglas C-47A Skytrain / Dakota 111 FL517 nose/cockpit (c-47 Skytrain)
English Electric Canberra PR.7 WH773 (BexWH773)
English Electric Canberra PR.9 XH175 nose/cockpit (RossMcNeill)
English Electric Canberra T4 WT486 nose/cockpit (sniperUK/2241sq ATC)
English Electric Lightning F.1 XM144 nose/cockpit (XM172)
English Electric Lightning F.1A XM172 Full airframe (XM172)
English Electric Lightning T5 XS420 Full airframe (XM172)
English Electric Lightning F6 XS932 nose/cockpit (XM172)
English Electric Lightning F6 XS922 nose/cockpit (XM172)
English Electric/BAC Lightning F.3 XP706 (Scott C)
Enstrom 280C Shark G-BXEE (iws)
Gloster Meteor NF.14 WS807 (Buccaneer Society/Jet Age Museum)
Handley Page Halifax B Mk III cockpit reproduction (HP57)
Hawker Harrier GR.3 ZD670 nose/cockpit (Dave T)
Hawker Harrier T4 anon’ nose/cockpit (XM172)
Hawker Hurricane P3554 ‘Jessamy’ (Rocketeer)
Hawker Hurricane MKII (in bits) (G Adlam)
Hawker Hunter F1 WT648 nose/cockpit (Rocketeer)
Hawker Hunter F2 WN890 nose/cockpit (Rocketeer)
Hawker Hunter F5 WN957 nose/cockpit (Dave T)
Hawker Hunter F6 XG290 nose/cockpit (Rocketeer)
Hawker Hunter T7 XL591 (mjr)
Hawker Hunter FGA.78 QA12 nose/cockpit (MarkG)
Hawker Sea Hawk F1 WF145 nose/cockpit (HMS Vulture)
Hawker Sea Hawk FGA.6 WV838 nose/cockpit (wv838)
Hawker Sea Hawk FGA.6 XE339 fuselage only (wv838)
Hunting Jet Provost T.3 XN549 nose/cockpit (avroxix)
Miles Messenger M.2a G-AKIN (texantomcat)
North American AT-6-D-1-NT Texan G-TOMC (Texantomcat and philipturland)
Piper PA22 Colt – airworthy. (Moggy)
VS Seafire Cockpit Project (Rocketeer)
Supermarine Spitfire IX (Stuart Gowans)
Supermarine Spitfire nose/cockpit (Rocketeer)
Supermarine Swift F7 XF113 nose/cockpit (BDAC)
Supermarine Spitfire MkVcTrop cockpit section(Qldspitty)
Supermarine Spitfire MkVcTrop Reproduction(Qldspitty)
Supermarine Spitfire MkVIII taxiing replica(well almost) fitted with a meteor engine (G Adlam).

May 21, 2007 at 8:56 am in reply to: General Discussion #313709

mark_pilkington
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Peter,

thanks for the heads-up on this very sad situation, I do hope the hull is intact and there is a fair amount salvagable for a rebuild? at least the masts etc were off-site and not engulfed but decks etc are still costly items to replace, and its still not as good as having the original structure.

Was it in dry dock or in water, the cooling affect of water would tend to protect the hull from warping?

you mentioned

It may be cheaper to bring back one of those delicious hulks abandoned at the Falkland Islands and restore that instead

can you elaborate on what survives there?

finally on the fate of another historic ship in the UK at risk of demolition rather than fire do you know the current status of SV Carrick (City of Adelaide) http://www.historyscotland.com/features/svcarrick.html

regards

Mark Pilkington

May 21, 2007 at 8:56 am in reply to: Cutty Sark Fire (Merged) #1930690

mark_pilkington
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Peter,

thanks for the heads-up on this very sad situation, I do hope the hull is intact and there is a fair amount salvagable for a rebuild? at least the masts etc were off-site and not engulfed but decks etc are still costly items to replace, and its still not as good as having the original structure.

Was it in dry dock or in water, the cooling affect of water would tend to protect the hull from warping?

you mentioned

It may be cheaper to bring back one of those delicious hulks abandoned at the Falkland Islands and restore that instead

can you elaborate on what survives there?

finally on the fate of another historic ship in the UK at risk of demolition rather than fire do you know the current status of SV Carrick (City of Adelaide) http://www.historyscotland.com/features/svcarrick.html

regards

Mark Pilkington

May 8, 2007 at 6:44 am in reply to: Aerospace Bristol merged with Bristol Freighter for UK #1314380

mark_pilkington
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I have always thought the abandoned Bristol Freighter in Canada was a suitable candidate with dis-assembly and return to the UK?

I understand the remains of the flying Bristol Freighter that crashed in the UK many years ago still existed, and it could possibly provide missing items such as engines and cowls, and perhaps other parts, this wreck still appears to have the main freight doors from the nose lying in the water on either side of the wreck?

Obviously its location or remoteness might make its recovery more costly than purchase and shipping costs from NZ?

I am also unaware of the Canadian aircraft’s history, as to it being a mark 21 or mark 31? I assume the NZ aircraft is a mark 31?

regards

Mark Pilkington
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