not the first time, there was an RF-4E crash this year too, and a few crashes last year and they were all announced.

besides, some sources say Iran has a much bigger number of operational Tomcats than you might think.

So Kfadrat, my old friend, you would criticise the whole of the US and UK for the actions of a few unsavoury characters in Abu Graib prison, but, think its vastly unfair if Sauron judges the whole Islamic faith on the behaviour of a worryingly-widespread, barbaric schism of Islam.

Smacks of double standards there perhaps?

NOPE, you got me wrong old friend, what I’m trying to say is that it is WRONG to generalize a certain feature on one nation if a few b@stards of that nation are infected with it.

I want Sauron to – finally – understand that each nation has it’s scum, INCLUDING Uncle Sam’s, he must wake up to the sad truth.

I would REALLY love to see what the picture Frank posted was, can you e-mail me it Frank?

I wanted to post a few more Phantom wreck pics I got recently from farious sources but thought not to harras the kids on such a lovely occassion.

yeah what ever, I still am trying to get my damn spelling problem fixed, it all started when Rabie left this forum and ACIG’s forum … too bad he’s not around anymore 🙁 .

I would like to confirm Sea Hawk’s post, I’m indeed debating as Kfadrat, the Syrian who served with an SA-6 battery NOT kfadrat the ACIGer … is it a kind of complex on some forums to always act anti ACIG when ever they don’t like what they hear?.

to be completely clear, the MiG-23 kill aganist an F-16 on June 9th is THE only offecially claimed F-16 by the Syrian Arab Air Force, at least it is the only one mentioned in offecial publications, the possibility of the other two comes from some aircraft NOT being IDed in Syrian offecial notes that I managed to find.

deepspace, tell me what you know about Russian hardware? if your damn missiles won’t work aganist a target and you know this target is VERY HARMFUL for your ground troops and you are young enough wouldn’t you have tried the same wing tipping trick? regardless of how dangerous it would sound???.

besides, are you attacking the Indian AF??? saying they are incompetent for losing a UAV to an aircraft? then the IsAF MUST be also incompetent because THEY ARE losing UAVs to aircraft you know.

does April 2001 ring any bills? it’s JUST the tip of the ice mountain.

TJ, very irrelevant indeed, even in the US the foriegn ministry isn’t briefed by the millitary you know.

CAPS !!!! 24/24 does America do that? does israel have that? no I don’t think so.

and TJ, diplomats are no good in this field and you know that, anyway 30 seconds is a time I DARE THE USAF TO RESPOND TO.

also the dude who asked aboput Syrian radars should actually get a map and see how high the Anti Lebanon series is, Radars inside Syria can’t see what’s behind it no matter how long you keep them on, I’m ex-AD remeber.

add to that the FACT that Israeli aircraft ALWAYS intrude inside Lebanese airspace for the show off … who would actually expect the cowards to launch an attack some day?

unwritten rules deny Syrian crews the possibility of engaging these incrusions unless they do certain things which these raiders were NOT actually doing. do you want me to count the number of time the battery I was with locked Israeli aircraft on because of certain behavior? this time they came from behind the mountain – so no time to get the order and lock – and dissapeared like hell.

now if anyone here would please ask the residents of Beruit about what they saw the NEXT DAY I’ll be so apreciative …

BTW, for your information the direct distance between Damascus and the Lebanese borders is less that 30km, tell me how much time a plane dropping a popeye or even an LGB from a top speed and a good enough hight would have to spend inside Syrian airspace if the weapon was launched inside Lebanon at a target already well within it’s range.

sheeesh, do you even know aviation?

Now Kdrafat don’t ou run away from a debate, noone is drunk here, you are talking about data that SOC, Steve etc have confirmed, i want to see that data, not your Syrian airforce propaganda, you know I would believe you if I hadn’t heard the newsd of israeli jets flying around Damascus last year, geez, come on man, how easy can it be, even the Americans used stealth acs and cruise missiles at baghdad first last year, that is simple fact, so stop insulting others and bring up the data, its as easy as that.

which is an UPROVEN claim by an Israeli NEWSPAPER … however some how you – as a serious aviation researcher – chose to believe a newspaper report.

besdies, I WISH the SyAAF had a propaganda department, the damn thing doesn’t even exsist, they believe that it doesn’t matter if the others thought well about us, what’s important is that we feel good about ourselves which is damn BS IMHO .