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May 3, 2017 at 11:56 pm in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #832810

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Sorry my error, the camouflaged DC-3 (post#5) is Zilverreiger (also a bird I think)……
One less well known orange DC-3 was the Irish Aer Lingus Teoranta (ALT) EI-ACA which was delivered through Shoreham in 1940…might have been the last one via the Fokker agency, quite soon painted camouflage on top , but still orange underneath.EDIT The ALT DC-3 was only used for flights to England in WWII .Irish nationals could travel to neutral Lisbon on the BOAC flying-boats from Foynes (Shannon)
https://youtu.be/SxK22YAqw1c Orange Irish DC-3 in use 1940
https://www.google.com/culturalinstitute/beta/u/0/asset/eire/OQGfQF5rj83DCA

http://www.belgian-wings.be/Webpages/Navigator/Photos/CivilPics/civil_pics_ooaaa_ooczz/Savoia%20Marchetti%20S73P%20OO-AGZ/Savoia%20Marchetti%20S.73P%20OO-AGZ.html (cropped version of the 3-airline shot)

May 3, 2017 at 8:34 pm in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #832947

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I believe the attack on PH-ASM Mees was also the reason for fitting automotive style rear view mirrors as in the camouflaged photo of Zilverreiger post#5.
Interesting1945? KLM/Fokker/DC-3 photo just went through ebay…RH aircraft is a pre-war DC-3 being sign-written after removal of wartime paint , LH is a Dakota. http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/yZcAAOSwHptZAORl/s-l1600.jpg

May 3, 2017 at 1:51 pm in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #833189

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BOAC/KLM used a DC-2 on the UK-Lisbon service in addition to the DC-3s…rare photo of it here (1943ish….note the interned P-39 parked behind)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/biblarte/7186329233/sizes/o/

May 3, 2017 at 1:41 pm in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #833197

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Yes, Whitchurch ca.1942…
Interesting couple of ramp shots at Lisbon during rare snow, 1945?
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Aeroporto+da+Portela+coberto+de+neve+-+1945&client=tablet-android-samsung&hl=en-GB&prmd=ivmn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj43qqK3tPTAhWJPRoKHV5oBJwQ_AUICSgB&biw=1280&bih=800#imgrc=_&spf=168

May 2, 2017 at 11:08 pm in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #833448

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The puzzling upturned dark area is actually the shadow of the starboard fin projected on the blanked off tail turret of that BOAC Whitley, the distant one is G-AGDZ. More tantalizing is the taildragger type just visible under the DC-3…it’s a camouflaged BOAC DH Albatross (Frobisher class)…

April 30, 2017 at 10:13 am in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #834039

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KLM DC-3s at Schiphol in neutrality orange as used to Shoreham (for London) and the short-lived direct Amsterdam to Portugal route in 1940 https://www.flickr.com/photos/8270787@N07/16476630568

April 30, 2017 at 1:07 am in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #834053

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American ambassador arrives 1941 (from Lisbon) https://youtu.be/t27RTNYY-4I

April 29, 2017 at 11:55 pm in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #834113

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( ericmunk…..Another two books (in Dutch): Londen of Berlijn, by Jan Hagens. THis extremely well-researched two-book series details the entire history of all KLM ops and pilots during 1939-1945. It includes the Lissabon line, some info on the RFS, but also the West Indies and East Indies operations)

The little known direct overwater flights by orange painted DC-3s from Amsterdam to Portugal just before Holland was invaded have always fascinated me. They enabled a route from Holland (and, theoretically Germany) to New York by connecting with the new Clipper service

April 29, 2017 at 11:49 pm in reply to: BOAC Liberator II Landing At Prestwick #834116

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I’ve opened a new thread on WWII flights to Lisbon (Lissabon), sampling the last two or three posts here

April 29, 2017 at 1:57 pm in reply to: BOAC Liberator II Landing At Prestwick #834269

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Thanks, Adrian…..The original Liberator must have been one of the first designs with integral fuel tanks*, replaced as it says in the link by the ‘self-sealing’ tanks able to survive gunfire in the later Liberators with oval cowlings like G-AGFN to G-AGFS , the ones which BOAC nick-named ‘self-leaking’….do you have any numbers for the different ceilings of the blown vs. unblown Liberators? * EDIT It says the PBY (Catalina) had integral tankage previously
http://legendsintheirowntime.com/LiTOT/B24/B24_Av_4507_DA.html

April 28, 2017 at 8:08 pm in reply to: BOAC Liberator II Landing At Prestwick #834400

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Does Sluipvluchten naar Lissabon have much detail (and photos?)of the operations to Lisbon-Sintra grass airfield which was used by the short-lived KLM direct Portugal service from the Netherlands April/May 1940, then by the BOAC/KLM service until October 1942?

April 28, 2017 at 4:52 pm in reply to: BOAC Liberator II Landing At Prestwick #834527

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Some accounts of BOAC refer to a Mark of Liberator as having ‘self-leaking’ tanks. I get the impression that it was the five Liberator IIIs G-AGFN to G-AGFS, and that the earlier marks as used on the RFS were preferred…anyone know?

April 27, 2017 at 9:24 pm in reply to: BOAC Liberator II Landing At Prestwick #834780

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Latter incident sounds like the shooting down of AM918/G-AGDR over the Channel (returning from Cairo direct) by Predannack based Spitfires after misidentification

April 26, 2017 at 4:54 pm in reply to: Mosquito 'Drop-Tank' #835205

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I see Bruce has commented on the V&A blog page so communications have begun. I’m beginning to realize how the V&As plywood piece was manufactured, rather like the Lockheed monocoque Vegas and Orions from individual strips of veneer glued (laid up diagonally?) over or in a mould (male or female?)…I wonder which size tank the V&A example is from…50, 100 or 200 gallon…the latter would have been massive ….200 gallons occupies a rectangular box roughly 2x2x8 feet!

April 26, 2017 at 12:36 pm in reply to: Mosquito 'Drop-Tank' #835358

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These tanks must have had a top ‘lid’ which matched the undersurface of the wing…..were they ever dropped?…..routinely?….in emergencies? (Did they leak?)
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