well if you follow the PLAAF thread’s claims.. the J-10’s defeat of the Su-27/J-11 is because the J-10 was superior, not the pilot. Does this mean J-10 = upgraded F-4

J-20, I have read about the Chinese claims of the J-10 being superior to the Su-27. I have (or rather had) a copy of International Airpower Review stating this when it featured the J-10. However, I would be sceptical about these claims. After all the Chinese are not likely to say “our aircraft was inferior to the Su-27” as this would beg the question “why is a modern aircraft inferior to an aircraft produced thirty years ago?”…also it wouldn’t sound good for marketing lol…

do you mean “were combat missions ever delayed/dropped due to unavailable aircraft?”
I doubt it, but not every Su-25 in the Russian inventory was deployed to S.O.. It may have started to be a problem had the fighting continued for much longer

don’t knock the upgrades. Even though its an F-4.. major avionics upgrades keep aircraft like these meaningful.

oh, no no…I wouldn’t dare knock an upgrade. In fact I’m all for them. I often see nations planning to buy ultra modern ultra expensive toys for their air forces and other armed forces branches and often think, an upgrade of their current equipment would be by far the better choice.

Aspis

“Risking to appear biased, there is something odd here. The turkish upgraded F4s are not AMRAAM capable. The upgrade was A-G oriented. So, how did they beat the Su-27? In BVR using AIM-9? In WVR using AIM-9? Next to impossible in both cases unless the chinese are the worst pilots on the planet…Unless they were competing in A-G scenarios and the F4s managed to outperform them in accuracy…”

A difference in training would also be a factor in losing to the Turks. Remember not everyone trains the same. I would say that Turkey, who participates in major multi-national excercise on a regular basis would have learnt a few tricks to combat superior aircraft like the F-15 or Su-27.

China participated in the recent Anatolian Eagle with the Turks. Rumour has it the Su-27s had their bums handed them by upgraded F-4 pilots but that may just be rumour and nothing more.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13495127

They call the P-3C an attack jet LMFAO

At least they got the anti-submarine part right. A reporter probably ‘google imaged’ the P-3 and saw pictures of the US Navies replacement, the P-8.

If, like me, you don’t know what TsAGI is…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TsAGI

hope no one was hurt

I sold my Y.G. Su-27 for £50 on Amazon. Think the next cheapest was over £200, how generous am I?….ok, stupid…