So soon after the Gnat crash, this is time to take stock, and get a grip on the situation. I would be pleased to see a (temporary ) moratorium on vintage jet aerobatics and aggressive manoeuvres (including the Vulcan) until we have some perspective and public confidence in the situation.
Expect calls for more draconian and sweeping measures from various quarters. What a dreadful day.
Today’s CAA ruling is the right response, and whilst you will never please everyone, it is a measured reaction to an extreme event, and leaves the door open for review when appropriate.
Whilst future events are hardly relevant at this time of great suffering and tragedy, there have been suggestions that a sea front display represents a safer arena.
Whilst there are indeed far more sterile areas, from a piloting viewpoint, the sea can represent a added hazard, as it makes height and attitude more difficult to assess, especially in hazy conditions, and was cited in the accident report of the L29 which crashed at Margate in 2000.
For those that want a review of airshows, get a grip, every airshow and display has gone through the appropriate authority channels before the organisers put on the event. whether a pilot sticks to that depends on many factors which have to be reported. If he breaks these he needs a very good reason.
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As vintage aircraft enthusiasts, a ‘carry on as before’ attitude may suit us just fine, but seven (so far ) innocent deaths will probably compel authorities (CAA, BADA, HAA) to review procedures and parameters.
It is not a provocative observation but a FACT that nearly all the high profile display accidents in recent years had their origins in unsuccessful attempts at aerobatic figures.
Like most people, I am appalled by this shocking accident, and the human suffering it has brought about.
This is a watershed event, the first UK spectator/civilian airshow fatalities since the DH110 disaster at Farnborough in 1952.
So soon after the Gnat crash, this is time to take stock, and get a grip on the situation. I would be pleased to see a (temporary ) moratorium on vintage jet aerobatics and aggressive manoeuvres (including the Vulcan) until we have some perspective and public confidence in the situation.
Expect calls for more draconian and sweeping measures from various quarters. What a dreadful day.
”For the benefit of the uneducated. I will translate” – Edward Fox –
Aboard a Fieseler Storch, the pilot of the German plane from the Second World War was victim of a crash this morning on his way to the air show to be held tomorrow at the Bourget Lake. The driver has fortunately been slightly wounded by spoiling in a field in the municipality of Domessin near Chambéry. From Saint-Rambert d’Albon in the Drôme, the driver with his old plane was performing aerial demonstrations as part of the event. The aircraft was heavily damaged. An investigation was opened by the force of air transport.
Hmmmm. Didn’t look broken backed at this stage. 🙁
Photo Coco Brl
That fin looks suspiciously flat. Has she been all the way over on to her back?
Certainly looks that way. Perhaps the airframe was ‘righted’ with a rope on the tailwheel, so that is came up and over, and walloped onto the ground, which broke the fuselage. Would not be the first time that had happened.
What a shame, anyway. For a while, it was the only flying ‘Mosquito’ .
Stupid people have always existed. It is unfortunate that the Internet now makes it apparent that you and I share oxygen with them.
The worst dialog I saw wasn’t the stupidest by quite a margin…
Comment 1: I wish they would quit bending these old aircraft. There are damned few of them left.
Comment 2: Agreed. Worsed case was 30+ years ago they planted a newly restored bomber into the ground at BH trying to a loop. A unique Blenheim, I think…tragic, all killed! :apologetic:
Comment 3: the Blenheim that went into the golf course was built by Robs Lamplough. Not sure if any fatalities, but as far as I know it’s now flying again.
Where to start…
Probably thinking of the Biggin Hill Invader crash, about 30 years ago. Not a loop, but a barrel roll, but they are both pitching figures, so maybe not totally off the mark.
They were all killed.
“Grunt” makes no difference IMO – an engine failure in a Cessna could be the same as in a Spitfire?
I am not sure what your point is here.
Are you really suggesting that an EFATO in a Cessna 150 is of equal magnitude of hazard to the same scenario in a Spitfire?
As you will know, the use of joy-riding Spits has become legit only in the last 12 months or so.
Are there any comparable high-energy ( ex combat ) aircraft undertaking a similar role ? I cannot think of one. We have no Thunder City type outfit here.
Yes, you can fly in a Tiger, Rapide, Chipmunk Harvard etc, but in terms of sheer ex military grunt, the Spitfire IS different. No flying is risk free, and one of the fundamental caveats of the ‘Adventure aviation dispensation granted by the CAA, is that the passenger is made aware, and acknowledges that flying in a Spit is inherently more risky than commercial air transport, and that the risk is accepted.
Having said all that, a high profile accident with a twin-seat Spit will of course bring the whole subject under scrutiny, which could be a game-changer.
A good outcome, all things considered.
It was a mercy that this was not one of the joy-riding fleet two seaters which are now flying very frequently with various operators since the CAA granted approval.
Twice the headcount equals twice the risk, of course.
This forum ( about which I have no knowledge ) reports pilot OK. We can only hope this is correct.
I did wonder what happened to Flug Werk. It did seem too have gone VERY quiet!
That is a shame. They did some very impressive engineering, but the FW 190’s have mostly had rather troubled flying careers, which may well have affected the prospect of future orders.
Apologies for the repetition ! I have not been able to spend much time on here for a while, so am a bit out of touch.
As a friendly prompt, none of you gents have started any threads since early June, so I reckon some new input would go down well if you have got anything 😉
Very sad news. Mr Cox was a well known and popular figure in the PFA/LAA movement.
He operated the Bede on the Irish register after the CAA withdrew permission to fly the type in the UK.
Designer Jim Bede died just a few days ago, aged 82.