Avro 504’s were configured for two or three pax for post-war joyriding.
I think I’m correct in saying that the Chipmunk is a RTAF-4 Chantra, a local conversion of Chipmunk airframes dating from the 1970s.
Well I never ! First I have heard of those. I wonder if the squared off fin made any difference, with spinning for instance.
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Thailand—Air/RTAF-4-Chandra/1652190/M/ (photo of Chantra)
The sad Mustang accident will be in the minds of those moving forward with the proposals, but the setbacks should be viewed in perspective.
Other incidents were the Barry Hempel Yak 52 fatality, and the Tiger Moth break-up at Queensland. At least 2 of those accidents involved aerobatics in the final part of the flight.
Paid-for flying in warbirds will be on the clear understanding by passengers that risk is higher than with conventional CAT carriers, and that small risk will be accepted, as is currently the case with B-17 and Lancaster air-experience flying.
The CAA are in the midst of a ‘cut the red tape / cut out the gold-plating’ initiative.
There is a rumour, nothing more, that this might include some relaxation – even to the point of paid-for passenger rides provided they are A to A, not A to B, on historics – of the rules.
I’m not holding my breath though.
Moggy
This is NOT a rumour. This is happening. It is being progressed by the CAA and with much input by the Historic Aircraft Association, and significant reference to content and experience from Part 115 of the New Zealand CAA Venture Aviation initiative. At Wanaka last year you could buy rides in Mustangs, P.40’s , Yaks and others.
Imagine how the UK operators of the Catalina and Fortress could benefit from an income stream derived from air experience flying. It happens in the USA, and Canada and has been a wholly positive experience.
There are seismic changes occurring in the CAA at present, just witness the new microlight category now entirely unregulated, not even a requirement to do an annual Permit To Fly, relying instead on the owner/pilot to be responsible. Times they are a -changing.
What’s the UFO behind the Spitfire?
Moggy
It’s that Gallic Tree-Squirrel chappie with a rocket strapped to his backside.
Vive la Difference..
Even if owned by a UK registered company, they could still be operated elsewhere
It makes me think of the Hunter deployed for training in Japan, owned by Airborne Tactical Advantage Company
Why did it catch fire ?
Blew out a spark plug, and red hot gasses ignited an oil line.
Bloody missed it.
Worry not. Two hours can be spent in so many ways better than that.
To call the plot clunky is disrespectful to a clunky thing. Every time they attempted any dramatic event with aeroplane content it was laughably bad, such as the ludicrous sequence of a Super Cub upping the murder count by chasing a runner across a field and bashing him with the starboard tyre. If he is stupid enough to stay on his feet he deserves a good whacking !
Nice to see Bernard Cribbins and June Whitfield giving their all, but it was beyond saving. A right load of cobblers.
Until fairly recently there was a FRED flying regularly from White Waltham. Might still be there.
Recently… well compared to the end of the last ice age, yes! :rolleyes: You might be thinking of Luton Minors.
In fact it was 2000 when Martin puttered away in ZT to the east for the last time, destination Kent. He squeezed it into a fairly tricky strip, and got the train home remarking ”Thank Feck I don’t have to fly that bl++dy thing again!” Three forced landings, one of them on fire, had cast rather a long shadow over the whole FRED experience, during his four year ownership.
The new owner had his very own ‘FRED experience’ on one of his early flights.
Still, cheap flying, very stimulating, lots of pub stories !
That Woodford collapse was a tragedy, mainly for those who died, but such a blow to lose an airframe in what would have seemed the safest of environments was a cruel twist.
Picture here, from Aviation North West.
If you wanted a FRED you could probably get one almost free, ie a permit expired example that might need a few days tickling back into life.
The market has moved on a lot, and these very basic local bimblers with marginal performance have very much been side- lined, such that they are virtually given away now.
And yet they do still offer real seat-of-the pants group A flying, and there is much fun to be had, especially if you can share your bimbling with a few other like-minded nutters in similar machines.
see here
http://www.pprune.org/private-flying/42164-has-anybody-out-there-flown-fred.html
An advert in the superb LAA mag might well lure one out of storage, or even identify one of the few flyers.
Half an RV should bankroll a big tub of dripping!
She is certainly a MILFW – Mother I’d Like To Fly With ! 😮
Come on censors- bring it on !
Boyfriend is an ex Red Arrow, so between the two of them, they are used to the oxygen of publicity, and probably nothing is worse than not being in the public eye, hence the Big Idea.
I think it is pretty reckless, though not quite as dodgy as it once was, with GPS and Weather radar now commonplace and no chance of getting lost. The ocean is just as big, though, and the weather just as unpredictable.
Mr Duff (Red Arrow) will follow in a support plane. Just because they are out of sight does NOT mean he is going to follow from in front..
Sheila Scott managed it and she was reckoned to be dangerous liability by the Tiger Club pilots with whom she flew before her adventures.
Mad??. I would say so, yes.
Thanks for the info, Pterodactylus.
Welcome to the forum.