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  • in reply to: Gresse, Germany RAF Friendly Fire Incident WW2 #866141
    Davenport82
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    Hello All,

    I have hit the ‘motherload’ of information regarding my grandfather and his time as POW. A Charles Frederick Hall did some art work in my grandfathers POW Wartime log book and put his name and addess in the book. I did some digging regarding him, he was an AG on 207 Sqn Manchesters. His bomber L7380 EM-W was shot down the same night as my grandfather 7/8th September 1941 on route to Berlin on the dutch island of Ameland.

    I contacted the Sqn association and they put me in touch with someone that did an orration at his funeral in 2006. Then I was put in touch with the son of Charles and this was the response I received, along with a photo of a poem my grandfather wrote by Omar Khyyam entitled Madness and a picture of them in summer 1945 on their rehab in Scarborough!! I am blown away. Please see email:

    Thank you for your email. My Dad did talk about his war time experiences and wrote them down in so far as his time as a POW was concerned, for the benefit of his children (me and my brother and sister) and grandchildren. My Dad was shot down on 7th Sept 1941 on the Dutch island of Ameland on his 25th birthday. I visited Ameland with my wife and brother in 2007 on that same date in September and met up with a local who takes an interest in WW2 and who showed us the crash site. As in your grandfather’s case, it was a miracle that they survived the crash. The story of how this guy contacted my Dad is another episode in itself. My dad died in 2006.
    Leslie Davenport is mentioned twice in his account; early on after being shot down they met up in a transit camp Dalagluft, Frankfurt, and in his first camp at Stalag Luft V111 B, Lamsdorf. He talks about how they had trained together and how they agreed to “combine” as a two in sharing Red Cross food parcels and how this arrangement lasted during the war. Leslie is also mentioned towards the end of his time in captivity when the two of them made an escape from the forced march from Stalag 357 Fallingbostel which started on April 6th 1945. They escaped from the column on 13th April 1945 and were eventually reached British forces on April 18th 1945 at Vendishaven. (I have checked and this is incorrect as it is not a place in Germany) There are no drawings by Leslie in his log book, but plenty from my Dad and some from other POWs, as well as a number of poems, reflections and introspection. I looked at them again yesterday and the whole log is extremely moving. I do remember asking him whether he’d tried to contact Leslie after the war, because my Dad was a member of the RAF Aircrew Association and went on some reunions of POWs. I think he said that Leslie wanted to forget about the war and was not very interested in meeting up, but my recollection may not be 100%. There’s a photo of the two of them plus a Bill Jones prior to demobilisation dated summer 1945 which I attach. My Dad is on the left. I also attach Leslie’s entry in the log, a poem by Omar Khyam called ‘Madness’ dated 26/7/1944 Thorn, Poland. I attach this although the ink is faint. Like you, I’d appreciate it if you would have these for personal use only, and I will do the same for the items you have sent me. My Dad’s log has the photo of sports day at Sagan in it as well, but I can’t see him- he may be the chap with the cigarette in his mouth but it’s not easy to make it out.
    We live in Taunton, Somerset. Although we’re some distance from each other, it would be good to meet up some time if that were possible.

    What an early Xmas present I am so pleased that I have closed a chapter in my reseach, to know that he ‘combined’ with Charles Hall through the war and made their escape together, before the Gresse incident even happened. When they escaped on the 13th April 45 I know from a diary kept by another airman on the internet I found this was a rest day. The next day they marched 10-15 kilometers to Sudergellersen South East of Lunenburg heath area. So they were on the run for 5 days, how much ground could they have covered?

    I would like to know more regarding this ‘Bill Jones’ perhaps William Jones, in the picture he is wearing pilot wings, can someone check Footprints in the sands of time for me for that name?

    Also Vendishaven they met British forces on the 18th April. This is not a place in Germany and obviously Charles account was written in the 90s so he may have got the place wrong. Where were the british forces on the 18th April 45? Lunenburg heath area?

    Any help would be appreciated.

    in reply to: Can you help with information?? #895522
    Davenport82
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    Ross,

    Thanks for your efforts on this, I am checking DFM details and story given from contact, not sure whether a story has been ‘fabricated’ for want of a better word or confused somewhere down the line……I am awaiting information.

    Now this just makes me want to get to the bottom of this….

    Ian

    Davenport82
    Participant

    Guys and Girls,

    I have updated the list of names in grandfathers POW Wartime Log, take a look!

    Ian

    in reply to: Can you help with information?? #904695
    Davenport82
    Participant

    All,

    I now have the RAF service number for the airman I am trying to find information on:

    LAC 1078290

    I hope this will help people try to locate some info for me.

    I appreciate any support I can get.

    Regards

    Ian

    in reply to: Shoreham Aerojumble – Sat 29 March 2014 #938329
    Davenport82
    Participant

    Guys,

    I know its cheeky but if anyone can keep a look out for any parts relating to 7 squadron Stirlings (only small items) in particular relating to a Newton Flotman crash in 1941, I would be greatful if anyone could give me a call, drop me a PM on here.

    Regards

    Ian

    in reply to: Airmens RAF Flight Log books Question – Can you Help? #987739
    Davenport82
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    raf log books

    Davenport 82,

    Have we answered your queries fully enough? Hopefully the pointers given will assist towards piecing your Grandfathers career together. Is there any further help or information you are looking for that this Forum may help you with?

    Regards

    Bob

    All thanks for your assistance I can now start to dig a little further.

    Kind regards.

    Ian

    in reply to: Future Water Recoveries #1009746
    Davenport82
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    Stirling Wreck

    There must be a Stirling out there somewhere. Even the wreck of one?

    I would love a Short Stirling to be recovered somewhere sometime. I do believe it is a crying shame that there is not one left, especially when it was heavily used by the RAF pre Lancaster days. Then used as glider tugs etc

    It was a great aircraft and very manouverable and liked by its crews, it could take some punishment! Yes every plane has its draw backs but it was the first 4 engined Bomber and I am gutted it is not more noticably recognised.

    My grandfather flew in 1941 and did 13 operational sorties with 7 Squadron as a WOP/AG. He always said to my dad when he was shot down on the 7th September 1941 on the way back from Berlin the stirling was riddled after night fighter attacks and flak, but gamely carried on flying on two engines.

    Sadly the starboard outer started to crumble and the Pilot Yardley gave the order to bail out. Then the crew including my grandfather became POWs for the rest of the war…..

    What a Bomber and well done for the Stirling Project on re-building the front fusealage section, a massive task but one of which brings a smile to my face that one day one will turn up or that section will be displayed someday.

    Ian Davenport

    Davenport82
    Participant

    Hi,

    I have contacted them, fingers crossed!

    Ian

    Davenport82
    Participant

    Moggy,

    My grandfather was a W/OP AG and always undertook the Front Gunner Role, from my understanding it was the Navigators role to undertake Bomb Aiming duties.

    Ian

    Davenport82
    Participant

    John,

    Brilliant yes I will private message my postal address.

    Kind Regards

    Ian

    Davenport82
    Participant

    N6046 MG-Y

    May be able to steer you towards somebody!

    Tangmere,

    Brilliant that would be helpful.

    Keep in touch.

    Ian

    in reply to: Churchill and a Stirling #957430
    Davenport82
    Participant

    [QUOTE=Wokka Bob;2014071]There was a famous photo of The Rt Hon Winston Churchill observing (IIRC) MG-D or MG-O taking off. It was annotated – late 1941. MG-D = N3641. MG-O was N6022 but that was abandoned on 15 Jul 41.

    N6022 was in fact a later version of MG-D, N3641 was one of the first delivered to 7 Squadron. I know this because my grandfather was a Front Gunner on N6022 MG-D he and the crew had ‘borrowed’ Gerry Blacklocks Stirling whilst he was on leave.
    Dennis Witt was the pilot and they had used vast amounts of petrol dodging heavy flak on a raid to Hannover on 15th July 1941. With the petrol guages slowing empty and they in fact prepared for a sea landing but to my grandfather and the crews delight they made it over the north norfolk coast. With two engines cut out Dennis Witt gave the order to bail out of N6022 MG-D…all crew survived and the plane crashed at Newton Flotman Norfolk.

    I am in possession of bits from the crash site and am amazed that I can have that connection with my grandfather 70 odd years later……amazing!!

    Ian

    Davenport82
    Participant

    Hello all,

    Just an update I have been in touch with two surviving members of the RAF who were in Stalags with my grandfather and wrote in his POW wartime log book.

    Richard Copley – http://www.thememoryproject.com/stories/1893:richard-a.-copley/

    I spoke with Richard on the phone and my grandfathers name rang a bell, he said living in Sagan was like living in a small town, where ‘goon baiting’ (tricking the gaurds) was rife. Latter part of the war the Germans became desperate and less of this happened and it was more about survival.

    Alex Kerr – pilot, 115 Squadron, flying a Wellington from RAF Station Marham. Shot down 11 May 1941. POW camps: Dulag Luft, Stalag IIIA, Stalag Luft III, Stalag Luft VI, Stalag 357.

    Amazing to think I have spoke with these amazing men.

    Fingers crossed for more results!!

    Ian

    Davenport82
    Participant

    Les Davenport POW Pics and 7 Squadron Pics

    All,

    The picture where my grandfather is standing with a pipe in his mouth was taken in Fallingbostel, can anyone name the other airmen, I believe the guy with a moustasche is Sam Cobbold, 7Squadron.

    Another picture is of my grandfather in his flying jacket and the other picture was of his list of camps he was in.

    I will be sharing more as and when I can.

    in reply to: Stirling Crash, Norfolk, July 1941 #983432
    Davenport82
    Participant

    Just an update, a chap helping me with my research spoke to the ex game keeper of an estate where the plane came down and he said that a Stirling wheel was in a farm building for 30 years after the war! It was then taken to Flixton Aviation museum. Now they only have a complete wheel of a Lanc, but said in the late 70s they had to ‘get rid’ of alot of tyres for Health and Safety reasons.

    Shame looks like the tyre found of my grandads Stirling quite litterally went up in smoke!

    Ian

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