TonkennaMany thanks Martyn, good info. It’s interesting, I bought it from a guy who has been very reliable in his identifications when I’ve dealt with him, and there was usually a story to go with the way they came to him. But it’s clearly not a A-1!
Has everyone moved on from this thread? Feels like there are fewer and fewer things available, perhaps I’m not looking in the right places!
Cheers,
Phil
TonkennaHi All,
Sorry to resurrect an old thread for such a vanilla grip, but this seemed the best option – I’m trying to ID a stick grip, as shown in the photos below. It’s clearly an NAF 1173-1, and it has the etched ID of BAC-S30V-4. The ID doesn’t bring anything up on google except a reference to a NAF 1173-3. On the side of the grip you can just make out ‘NAF‘, but nothing more…
It was sold to me a number of years ago as a A-1 Skyraider, but I can’t find any cockpit photos which have a -1 stick, they all seem to be -3, but it seems difficult to find AD-2 / AD-3 images.
Do anyone have any clues?
Cheers,
Phil
TonkennaHi All,
Another request for information.
After years of looking, I finally managed to get hold of a Lightning stick & column – pic attached below. I’m trying to identify what model it came from….
So, it’s a left-hander, therefore must be from a T4, T5, or T54/T55/T55K.
The number on the panel is AC 66308 MOD 1 Serial 6129.
I have a copy of a Master Record Index of Dunlop components fitted to Lighting aircraft, and in it, the AC numbers range from 60968 to 65984, fitted to the models … F1, F1A, F2, F2A, F3, T4, T5 & F6.
Obviously, my plate doesn’t come from that list, and seems to be some time after the last number in the MRI (65984, fitted to T5s).
It might imply that it’s a T54, T55 or T55K?
I know that Martyn (GYD) had the knowledge on these handles earlier in the thread, but there’s nothing relating to this particular number….
Martyn? Any thoughts?
Cheers,
Phil
TonkennaThanks for your reply Fly.buy, I appreciate the information.
After looking at many photos of the various pre-pre-production, pre-production, production cockpits, I can’t find one which is ‘exactly’ alike. It is extremely similar to all, in terms of size, angles etc, but the flat area at the top between the two horns seems to disprove it, all the images I can find have that area curved.
I couldn’t find good images of mock-up or simulator flight decks, so can’t exclude those.
Since there isn’t any way to positively identify it as ‘Concorde’, I was attempting to do it by exclusion i.e. what it isn’t. And there’s a big list! But having gone through all the British transport / airliner / cargo / bomber (just in case) aircraft from the 60s-70s-80s, I can’t find anything similar, or anything that it’s more like than Concorde, so I’m no closer to understanding what it actually is…
Ah well, never mind, sometimes you take a punt and it doesn’t come off.
Cheers,
Phil.
P.S. does anyone have a Lightning grip they’d consider parting with? I have a small wedge of cash waiting, but they are almost impossible to find these days.
TonkennaNo doubt some of you will have seen this on ebay, and so know what it was sold as, but I’m trying to find any way to prove/imply the type it really came from.
I think it’s probably British, due to the yoke style, seems very few countries made yokes this shape (Brazil did a few). ‘Ser No’ and ‘Iss’ markings would also indicate British, or at least english speaking.
Looks and condition of the black coating would indicate 70s-80s?
On that basis, here is the list of aircraft that it isn’t: …. Beverley, Argosy, Hastings, Herald, Britannia, Belfast, Trident, VC10, Viscount, Vanguard, BAC 1-11, HS748, Jetstream, HS125/Dominie, Bristol Freighter, Hawker Bizjets (400, 800, 4000).
None of the markings give any google hits :
D79-5221-100-1-B1
F010913 B1
SER NO F1100/1
B369
D.79.5221.000 Iss.B3
D79 might be a year marking?
Any thoughts? Any other aircraft I’ve missed off the list to check?
Cheers,
Phil
P.S. I’ve been through oncealoft, and it’s not in there…
TonkennaMartin, thanks for the reply.
I see what you mean about the collective question – it’s a right handed grip, and no throttle controls to be seen, so shouldn’t be… but I can’t see any cyclics with a straight column like that.
I also see what you mean wrt the french style buttons – they are extremely similar to those on my Kfir grip.
I’ve checked out French helos from the 60’s to the 80’s, and nothing seems similar (Frelon, Puma, Dauphin, Alouettes, Lama, Gazelle)
The S1640-62104 serial takes us down the Sikorsky path, and Sud Est built H-34s, but that was in the mid to late 50’s, which seems a little early for the design of grip…
I’ll keep looking!
Cheers, Phil
TonkennaTo carry on the kickstart, I’ve got a helo grip which I can’t pin down…
The main molding is extremely similar to an early Blackhawk that I have, bar a thumb switch on the right of the hoist coolie hat, and the trigger.
A search on the part numbers gives early Sikorsky, but no exact matches – I think the number is S1640-62104-3 (last digit difficult to read) SM-21225-x (again, last digit difficult to read).
Odd that the coolie hat, usually for trim control, is labelled as a hoist control, and that the radio/int is two separate switches rather than a two stage trigger, or a rocker trigger, like the Blackhawk. Also the straight column seems odd to me, but it does fit the grip perfectly.
S1640-62104 comes up in a CH37 Mojave tech document
Perhaps Seaking (perhaps the hoist control might match)?
Perhaps CH54 Tarhe? Or HH-3? H34? I can find images of similar, but none exact, which is unusual.
Any thoughts? Anyone recognise it?
Cheers,
Phil
TonkennaGents,
Can I call on your expertise. I’ve just bought this grip – it was sold as a Mirage 5 / Dagger, and came from Israel, so is most likely something like that. From the makers plate on the side, it’s hebrew, made by Amcoram, Israeli company. There is a possible date, 12/77. Which would make unlikely to be IAI Nesher, which finished production in 74. More likely a IAI Kfir. The cockpit image is an IAI Kfir, and seems to match the actual grip.
Do you think that’s a correct assessment? I seem to remember seeing something like it in Ian’s extraordinary collection a while ago? The Mirage and variants have some really interesting grips, from an ergonomic perspective.
Cheers,
Phil
TonkennaSwifter, I’m sure the answer is no, but I have to ask…. Would you consider splitting the F-102 controls? I’ve been looking for the grip for years (maybe after seeing yours on here?), and already have a throttle quadrant…
Regards,
Phil
TonkennaThanks FLY.BUY, I’ve sent a message to bjahih85. No reply yet, but no rush…
Regards,
Phil
TonkennaHello… Like Ian, I just got one of the (extremely reasonably priced) USN S2F yokes. It’s in great shape, with a little ‘weathering’… The question, I guess, as always, is where can I get a Grumman centre cap to finish it off? Does anyone have any ideas? Or perhaps one to sell?
Regards,
Phil
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TonkennaLeave me a PM with your address and I’ll send you the STRATOFORTRESS lettering along with the application instructions.
Nick
Thanks for the advice and info Nick, I appreciate it. I’ll drop you a PM just now.
Regards,
Phil
TonkennaVery nice, Phil. I’ve seen worse on the lettering front! Mine has no writing on the arm at all so I’m also up for a set myself. On the collecting front I’m awaiting an F14 grip from the States. I will then consider myself happy.
Happy, really? Does that mean you can stop collecting? 😉 I’m afraid I don’t believe you….
WRT the B52 lettering, I think I’d rather remove it, although it may be hmmm ok, I think it looks pretty unprofessional, it certainly wouldn’t have been anything like that in service.
P
TonkennaSwifter, Ian,
Thanks for replying, and sorry for vanishing for so long, I wasn’t deliberately ignoring you! Unfortunately the Real World has to come first….
So here is a photo of my B-52 yoke (still struggling with attachment size), can you identify the model from it? You can see the white ‘tippex’ text is ruining the generally reasonable condition. I’ll be taking Ian’s advice as soon as I get a chance to get some really fine grade paper. Whether I replace it with transfers I’ll wait and see how I feel. If you are still happy to gift the ‘STRATOFORTRESS’ lettering, I’d be massively grateful…
Best wishes,
Phil
Hello Phil; allow me to add my welcome too. I’m a relative newbie myself, having joined about a year ago. As I’m sure you found in your reading…there is much knowledge on this site. Thanks for that CF-105 auction link! I recently read Murray Peden’s excellent “Fall of an Arrow”. Ian is right on point with his analogy to TSR2.
Could you post a couple of shots of your B-52 yoke? There are actually four diffenent yokes that were used in B52s (that I know of). The most common is that used on aircraft before the “G” model. As it happens, amongst the yokes I’ve restored there have been a couple of B52s. I’ve attached a photo of my restored “D” model yoke. All the engraved lettering in the thick coating on my yoke had been obliterated. I replaced it all with “dry transfer” decals available from http://www.woodlandscenics.com . It’s tedious working with the small letter decals and you’ll likely be doing some 2-3 times. But it can be done. As you can see, the STRATOFORTRESS lettering was also replaced. I happen to have an extra set of the STRATOFORTRESS lettering….and you are welcome to it (freebie !) if you decide to restore your yoke.
Good Luck with the yoke!
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TonkennaHi guys, I thouhgt it was about time to introduce myself – I’m Phil. Ian suggested I should drop by when I bought a very nicely mounted F-111 column from him a while ago, and it’s taken me this long to read the 30 pages of control yoke chat!
I’m very much a part timer, judging by the contents of Ian’s home, and by the photos of huge collections! I have a very small collection, poorly curated, and of questionable provinance…. but I enjoy them.
I have one that I’d like some restoration advice on – it’s a B52 commanders yoke, in generally good condition, bar some pretty bad ‘painting’ of the etched ‘autopilot disconnect’ and the like on the trim side of the yoke, looks like it’s been done with tippex to be honest. Truth be told, the green ‘Stratofortress’ is a bit dodgy too. Anyway, the question I have to the assembled masses is, what would you reccommend to remove the white paint from the original (I think) black coating?
I managed to source a repro centre cap a couple of weeks ago, so if I could clean the bad paint job that might be good enough to display alongside the F-111 as Cold War Strategic & Tactical pair.
Just for info, I spotted this on ebay recently, does it get much more rare than this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221769351842?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Cheers,
Phil
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