Russia also have opec alllies that will do its work in opec but i think it will go beyond that.
Again Russia is not Soviet Union that it will back down in any case where its national interest. have u seen its recent business dealing with EU/India/China/japan. Multiply that behaviour by 100 for future.
You dont need to multiply anything – just look at USA. Russia would behave very alike.
Ok , so Russians give pessimistic figures for their radars whiles the yanks are optimistic ? Even US radar’s figures are classified and estimates are likely to be on the lower side given they dont want to disclose full capability . It is the same everywhere.
AMEN!!
The history with (now pretty well known) F-14 radar shows otherwise. The radar’s performance figures were rather over hyped earlier.
The human is the most vital part of the system. Making this system “unmanned” does not make sense. The life of the pilot is not more in danger than that of the soldiers on the ground. In the end, there is no point in saving the pilots life while wasting the infantrymen.
That is only partially true.
1. Pilot is much more expensive to train and replace.
2. Pilot severely limits payload and flight performance – for example, it cant withstand more than 7-9 G, and even 3+ G badly affect pilot abilities.
3. Pilot is subject to usual human weakness – like fear of death, slow reaction to unexpected danger, inability to learn quick, inability to learn from other experience and mistakes, etc.
4. It is still human life or 2.
Resume? If manned aircraft could be replaced by unmanned without fatal performance degradation – is must be done.
Which assumes that there is always 100% control of the situation, enough batteries for the “NC-hardware” and generally the enemy behaves as expected. The low flying CAS aircraft is not only a provider of firepower, but also a pair of eyes, a psychological factor and it can deliver even low-tech ordnance with reasonable precision.
Current prices for guided ammunition suggest what using unguided ones is not economically effective. Aircraft sortie costs more than cheap guided bomb or missile. Main problem with dedicated CAS aircraft is what they are TOO specialized. Common fighter-bomber can perform almost as well in CAS role (low-alt penetration) as dedicated CAS aircraft, while being much more universal.
Problem is, the Kfirs, bought back in 1996 and more in 2000. After the Kfirs came the MiG-27s. Before all these, some F-7s were bought in the early 90s. :rolleyes:
Small note to all:
This is not really about MiG-29 Vs Kfir Vs MiG-27 Vs F-7 etc, etc. Currently SLAF has Kfir (C2 and 2 C7s), MiG-27 and F-7 :rolleyes: . Now this is why I said it sounds like a really bad joke. 😀 Its a tiny A/F. The MiG-29 will take things to whole new league. Its a complex bird. Is it practical? Remember, the capabilities of MiG-29 is NOT in question here. Look at the overall situation. I know most of you tend to think strictly in military capability terms. But unfortunately the situation is much messier when comes the SLAF and Sri Lanka itself. Believe me its a mess! :rolleyes:
I dont really think Mig-29 is that much more complex than Mig-27, although probably a bit more expensive to fly due to 2 engines. Regarding everything else… if SLAF dont have own maintaince facility for Kfirs/Mig-27/F-7 and just use oversea spare parts then 1 more aircraft type probably wouldnt add much problems either.
But ya, for 15 mil $$ only basic, used Mig-29A/C are possible. F.e. the old ones from RuAF stock, or from Algier, or some other country which returned them in exchange for Mig-29SMT upgraded ones.
The best bet would probably have been to look for more Kfirs, just as Colombia has done; and probably some other cheap kit too.
– Buy some proper airbase defences, preferably something like the ZSU-23-4 from Russia/India or M-163 Vulcan from the US (though less capable).
– Build proper shelters, as already said, simple roofed revetments would be more than enough to do the job.
– Buy cheap light strike aircraft, by which I mean something like the Pilatus PC-9 or Embraer ALX, able to stay aloft for a long time, and carry modest loads.
– Replace the King Air based HISAR system.
The problem, as usual is budget, or lack thereof; the solution, in part, is to mitigate your losses, and this means making it more difficult for the bad guys to hit you on the ground. Good revetments and airbase defences would go a long way towards this goal, otherwise, as JBritchford said, you may as well paint bullseyes on the new aircraft.
How much would Kfirs cost? And with which capabilities? Decently upgraded Kfirs, i’m sure, wouldnt cost much less than Mig-29SMT…
ZSU-23 is not enough – it is too short range. Something like Tunguska or better S-125/75/Krug/Kvadrat would be more wise.
Or they just buy the refurbished one?
Refurbished = SMT. Plain Mig-29A/C are not refurbished. They would be delivered “as is”.
With current dollar value more like $30-35 mil..
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May be for foreign costumers. But SMT upgrade for RuAF cost about 3-4 mil $$. Old Mig-29 from stocks cost as i said about 12-15 mil $$. Make numbers add up…
Who me? Personally? HELL NO 😀 But there are people here who know a sh!t load more than me. Thats why I decided to forward the question to others.
But personally? AGREED! HELL NO!! 😀
PS: If not too much trouble, can any of you guys give a break down in prices. Different version of the MiG-29 series. Fly away cost. It would be great if you can give other costs as well 😮 .
Thanx in advance
– Hyper 😮
Mig-29 basic, from old stocks – 12-15 mils $$ fly-away. Mig-29SMT – 20-25 mil $$ fly-away. Mig-29M2/Mig-29K/Mig-35 – ~40-45 mil $$ fly-away.
I think u should only stick to Naval Form & there i have doubts now about since that Carrier episode.
Let do the maths.
Soviet Union = 5 Million Troops.
Russia= 1 Million troops.
In theory Soviet Union looks very powerful but in practice Russia is far more powerful. Soviet Union troops were mostly for colonizing 20 to 25 countires & protecting that huge border with China.
This is like big LOL. Is USA now much, much less powerfull than Russia? Because, you know, USA now occupy whole EU, Korea, Japan, Middle East and dozens other countries around the globe? Nonsense.
Vietnam/Afghanistan/Middleast/Africa/Iran was additional burdern.
I doubt that had surplus operational troops/resources to occupy any more countries in Western EU.
They perfectly had. You know, these 5 millions troops were not needed in Sibiria or near Moskow. They werent even needed in DDR or Poland. These could be perfectly well used for attack on France f.e… ofc, if war happens.
Now look at situation now. Troops are better much trained, housing is taking care of.
Even bigger LOL. Troops are MUCH, MUCH worse trained, comparatively (with West) MUCH worse equipped, moral is MUCH lower. We could f.e. see flight hours for pilots or drive hours for tankers… 3-4 times less than in USSR time. What happens with infantry i cant even imagine…
More precesion weopons like Iskander missiles. Forces are much stratecally positioned to guard natural resources and can strike at short notice on key energy/supply routes from Middleast to North Sea and completely freeze Western Military. And this is not limited to Weopons/natural resources. the rise of Asian enabled Russia to sell its Scientific knowledge to Asian Industrial corporations from SK/China/Japan. It is not in need of Western capital.
Above all they have more than 50 years of experiance of crushing anykind of resistence.
Eh… What good can do few Iskandre missiles? And now, USSR had much greater PGM weapon capability. Srapped Mig-27, much reduced SU-24M, much reduced Tu-22M3 numbers… Nearly scrapped Tochka and Tochka-U (predecessors of Iskander…) While West done HUGE step in the last 25 years developing own PGM capabilities… It is not even funny.
It was the Soviet Fear that British-French abondoned Suez canal war. U simply have no history of fighting on mass scale against decent opposition in modern times. thats why EU has to act under US leadership otherwise future under Russia is very dark. Now all Russians forces are free to invade EU but there is no economic point for them.
Such naive ignorance…
:confused: Why do I get the feeling that a single-role MiG-29 is pretty much the last type of aircraft SLAF could utilize against Tamil Tigers? Strange purchase…
They are SM type, i.e. multirole.
Besides, even basic Mig-29 can perfectly well carry unguided bombs and missiles. And i very much doubt such poor country as Sri-Lanka would use guided ammunition anyway.
the airforce has higher living standards so fairs better in the suicide rate figures but i’m curious as to how you know its an outright lie that 4000 or so Russian service men commit suicide a year, ive never come across anyone who’s tryed to de-bunk it – which i would imagine people would if it wasn’t true…
May be because there are official numbers released? You know, by russian MOD?
Even with a display, the main MFD has to be connected to a serial bus that’s tied to the main system. You really cannot put another computer into the same serial bus being used already by another computer. It you want to multiplex the bus to rapidly switch between two masters that would only be more complicated. Hence the brute force method which is just simpler to do, add another MFD for the subsystem.
An MFD is not like a simple computer monitor that is connected to the main system via analog cable. It has its own graphics processor and display memory, a dedicated processor, and a bus that talks to the main system. If you need to display a radar mode, you press one of the buttons in the MFD, and the MFD sends a command to the radar system, which sends the data to the bus, and the MFD handles the entire display process within itself. If you are familiar with legacy mainframe and minicomputer systems, the MFD is in effect, a terminal.
R-77 wiring in Su-27 / early Mig-29 do not require any MFD change. This is 100% sure, and was stated several times in interview. You greatly overstimate difficulties here. I dont know details how it is made, but main designer stated there is only 1 small computer plate addidional needed.
But personally i think what if something was done 1 time – it can be repeated 10 years later, especially with such advances in computer technic. This also true with all connections and synchronizations. You describe as if it is imposssible at all.
For a guy who claims to attend conferences, why don’t you explain it then? Adding a dual engagement mode is a big thing because the existing FCS cannot handle the demands of such. You think that any of the current modes on the unmodified N001 are big things? The N001 can only track a single target with a fire quality information, and I am pretty sure anyone with a common sense can see that doubling that capability is a big thing.
Wake me up when one program finally succeeds. Its already 2008 now.
To be fair, even basic N001 can track 2 targets “with a fire quality information” for R-77 purposes. It can illuminate 1 target for SAR missilles – but same is true for ANY mechanical radar. Only ESA radars can illuminate more than 1 targets.
The ferry range of the Su-34 is quoted at 4000km. Is that with the external fuel tank(s) ?
No
First off, I wasn’t necessarily agreeing or implying that the 0.0001m2 figure is accurate.
Secondly, the canopy glass has been treated and is not exactly radar-transparent, alleviating the effects of the internal reflectors.
It cant be threated the same way as other parts, requirements to achieve excellent vision contradicts with effective anti-radar coat or measures.