I’d appreciate you if you all acted accordingly and stopped presenting this aircraft as capable of downing whatever moves and evade everything else. It’s all just guesswork.

The same statement should also be directed towards the PAK-FA crowd…

If that is the case. How abt Pakistan? I am quite sure, AIM-120 delivered to PAF will have a few of them deliver to China for inspection.

Yet another reason to cease dealing with Pakistan.

IMHO, it’s not so much of a physical limitation, as to an operational limitation. If the plane supercruises for any significant amount of time, the airframe is heated up by air friction to a point where it starts radiating substantial amount of infrared radiation. Such that it loses its stealth, and become vulnerable to infrared seeking missiles.

OK, see, now you ruined an amusing discussion on multiplication by bringing up something sensible.

YOU failed at everything it says cobat radius at sub/super sonic both say 100 for the super sonic.

It states “Combat Radius (NM) Mission 1 (Sub+Super)”, giving figures projected and demonstrated. 310+100 is the radius figure for subsonic and supersonic. The total mission radius is 410NM. Meaning the total RANGE is over 800NM in that mission. Range is double radius, plus a bit more. So if the supersonic RADIUS is 100NM, the supersonic RANGE would be over 200NM. Claiming that it can only go 100NM is therefore totally false and only indicative of an inability to comprehend 1×2.

So, YOU are wrong, your own source gives a performance of over 100NM at supersonic speed!

Were’s your source that shows it’s NOT maximum sc range ??????

Once again, since you are using RANGE and not RADIUS, your own link shows a figure of 200NM, which is more than your 100NM claim. 1×2 again.

Apart from that, read what people have already posted in this thread. The Lockheed link only gives figures for “Mission 1”, a certain profile. It also says “Current estimate”, not “actual performance”, so it is not even claiming to represent the definitive performance of the aircraft.

You mean like how the Fulcrums and Flankers have been continuously updated since they entered service?:rolleyes:

They certainly would’ve been. The Su-27M, MiG-29M, and even MiG-31M programs didn’t take that long to get going after initial service variant development concluded. Remember that back then the more likely solution in the USSR was a new variant rather than a retrofitted large-scale upgrade. Of course, the Russians learned first-hand that Communism was an inefficient system, and then the money evaporated, a situation that has been progressively improving recently allowing various upgrade programs to now bear fruit (Su-27SM and MiG-31BM). Claiming that the Soviets/Russians were never going to upgrade or evolve the FLANKER or FULCRUM is demonstrating ignorance or misunderstanding of the entire scenario. Expecting the next generation fighter to have the same service experience as the FLANKER or FULCRUM is equally ignorant, illustrating an inability to understand that the situation in Russia is very different today than it was when the FLANKER and FULCRUM were entering service.

Like IT said and you FANBOYS just can’t take it the 22 can only s.c at mach 1.6/7 for a 100 nmiles.

Again, you’ve failed to comprehend the meaning of the term “radius”. Had you claimed that it was 200NM, you would have at least sounded partially credible.

Beat me to it UAZ.

Here’s the R-74 mockup!

Still can’t find the R-77 replacement number.

Are you sure that’s not the Izdeliye Pr.611, the Ukrainian SRAAM design?