A wreckage means most of the story, i can show you plenty or wreckages from F-16s to F-4s passing through MiG-29s and MiG-23s, i can make a complete account based upon those records like he does.

Photos of wrecks mean nothing. You can pass off a photo of an accident as proof of a shootdown, and vice versa.

You and TEEJ right away jump into conclusions to defend a posture that has more to do with politics than with veracity.
His account of the MiG-25s flights is written in a time the MiG-25s over flights were most likely coverted like the U-2 overflights over the Soviet Union and are made by a western author.

Since when did politics have nothing to do with the Cold War? And the last U-2 overflight of the USSR was 1 May 1960.

From my opinion Firebar is giving a very good proof of his points and is not as biased as you claim because he is presenting you western sources for the lack of kills made by the F-14 in US navy service and MiG-25 Over flights of western Europe.

And he is ignoring the reason behind those lack of kills and the fact that no FOXBAT was overflying Western Europe.

One why then the US navy failed with better planes and missiles i mean the F-14D and AIM-54C and total and absolute air superiority.

They did have total and absolute air superiority. When was it ever in question? Iraq managed a single kill on the opening night of the conflict. After that point, their Soviet and French aircraft were either blown apart in midair, blown apart on the ground, or sent to Iran because they had no chance whatsoever of surviving in Iraq.

And two why Grumman claims the AIM-54 were sabotaged?

Probably because they did try to mess with them before leaving (Hughes, not Grumman), but for some reason nobody considers that Iran may have figured out what they were up to.

You do not believe US general Keegan when he say that MIG-25 caused the Americans to deny themself vast amounts of intelilgence data ?

I don’t believe him because he’s full of crap.

Imagine its encounter with fully equiped, standard russian MiG-23 ML, armed with R-24 and R-60M.

Why? The MiG-23 would’ve been redistributed all over the ocean regardless.

As for Mig-25, the Tomcats pilots would not know what happened.

Tell that to the Iraqi and Soviet FOXBAT pilots shot down by Iranian F-14As.

You are correct, but note that these data about 7 test launches, from YF-12,at up to 35 miles, are from relatively new sources. Every source before 90-es cited that the targets were destroyed at over 100 miles. WHY ?
See “Lockheed Blackbirds” by Thornborough, for example.

Like I said, people were stupid, correlating the maximum range of the missile with the test launches and assuming that the missiles were tested at that range.

$600m in 2008 dollars. not a practical solution.

From what I recall the cost wasn’t a concern due to the obscenely large amount being spent during the Cold War. Nobody wanted to risk having the damn thing fly off course and right over a US city. That concern cropped up partly because they realized that they could conceivably fly the things continuously for a period of years as a sort of unmanned deterrent patrol.

182,000KM range with 26 nuclear warheads?

I think the Soviets still had that one beat. They were looking at a variant of the Korolev N-1 at one point. It would have carried A HUNDRED warheads (said capacity being the reason for thinking about a variant of the gigantoid N-1 as an ICBM). The main sticking point back then was that they had no guidance system with anywhere near the level of accuracy or capability to ensure that they actually hit 100 targets. The missile was proposed as a way to take out the entire USA with one shot and it just wasn’t doable. In terms of pure measurable destructive power, though, it blows Pluto/SLAM right out of the water. You could have conceivably shot Pluto down, but back then no ABM system was anywhere near capable enough to defeat a hundred inbounds. SAFEGUARD was a ways off and it would’ve only protected a small fraction of American real estate.

Still not as badass as Meteorit though 😀

A 40 min at max power over Israel and held teritories.

Translation: No.

You say that US general Keegan lies ?

Yes. Or he is making the data fit his theory. Or your uncited source that you keep illegally posting photograps of is doing the same.

The Hercules had not nearly similar capabilities as SAM-5. The Russian system had twice effective range.

NIKE-HERCULES had a range of around 150 kilometers. That’s about what the original S-200s had, before they were modified to the 250km S-200V or 300 km S-200D.

There is no evidence that Iranians used Phoenix. These are only fairey tales.

Says you, who cannot provide any contradictory evidence.

There was, in fact one F-14 kill. It was MI-8 helicopter when AIM-9 was used.
And that is it.

You can’t even spin your fiction with any accuracy. The F-14 has killed five aircraft in USN service, all of them Russian-made.

You forgot that the YF-12 launched missiles only in tests, whose effectiveness were highly suspicious.
Some sources say that it hit targets more than 100 miles away. The other sources say that the max target ranges were at about 25 miles !!!
It is obvious that these are only unverified stories.

The data released shows that the launches took place with around 35 miles separation between launcher and target. The 100 mile figure comes from people speculating about the maximum range capability of the system, which had not yet been tested to design range. If people are confusing the two pieces of data, that’s their fault for being incompetent. But the seven test launches have been verified in multiple sources. Where is your confusion this time.

In practice, in service, the F-14 had capability of guiding only 2 Phoenixes at the same time

Prove it. Or admit to being fraudulently deceptive.

The Myth of the F-14 has only being spread by Tom cooper

What are you, firebar’s partner? Disprove Cooper and Bishop’s work with research and professional publication or take off the bias blinders. They spent over a decade gathering information and preparing their work for publication, but that’s ok, we’ll just take the word of you two instead. Because of your impressive list of references and qualifications, and all.

Marabu was the rumored plasma stealth system for the Meteorit missile system (also known as, if I haven’t mentioned it today, the most badass missile system ever).

This is probably partially due to an outgoing lame duck administration trying to make one last splash on the international relations stage. Even if McCain gets elected there’s no guarantee his foreign relations policies regarding these issues will mirror those of the Bush administration.

[color=red]20 pages, start up a new one.[/color]

Sean Connery, Sam Neill, Alec Baldwin, James Earl Jones, Scott Glenn…you almost have to see it for the cast alone 😀