RE: The Washington Sniper —- Death???

Thats another great point, a life sentence means you die in jail. Period. None of this bargaining and dealing and pleading down and crap. Plea bargaisn can go out the window as well. Time served? No again. We need a solid legal system for it to even begin to work.

As for premeditation-I think murder is murder, and if one murder justifies the death penalty then they all do. I don’t for one instant buy any of this emotional duress, or insanity, or any other BS defense people use to get off. If you kill someone, you forfeit your life. End of story.

I have the feeling we’re going to have a great discussion going in a few hours! 😀

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RE: The Washington Sniper —- Death???

Vortex, Merlin, interesting discussion you two have going on here.

Europe is more civilized? What, was Hitler born in Detroit? Was Milosevic living in Beverly Hills? Did the US colonists bring slavery to Europe? No to all of those. Personally I don’t think one country is better than the other in most cases, but this is ridiculous. We could attack each countries beliefs all day. The issue is the two sniping idiots here in the US. I say execute them both. We need harsher criminal laws here in America. If I had my way every drug dealer, rapist, child molester (including priests, they get no church protection) and murderer, they’d all get the chair. Gangs would be categorized as organized crime and dealt with violently by the FBI. Drug rehab consists of bread, water, and isolation in a small room for six months. Prison consists of not much different (it is going to actually be punishment, not some break from life where you get free medical and a college degree while watching cable TV).

Regardless, the US Constitution specifically permits the death penalty. If no-one else finds it before I get home this evening I’ll post the relevant passage. Ergo, who cares what you think. We’re allowed to do it. Sniper Dad and his Bullet Boy are going to fry. Bottom line.

Interesting point about Bin Laden-I want to know what people against the death penalty think we should do about him. And what about the PLO leaders? Israel basically uses the death penalty, and they go so far asto say we “believe” or we “think” that the targeted and killed people were behind whatever attack. Before a rougue terrorist nation state goes using F-16s to bomb civillians, they should at least be SURE. What about Adolf Hitler? Would you throw him in jail? Exile him? What?

I also vote for people against the death penalty to tkae in the death row inmates and such. If you aren’t offering a solution, then sit down and be quiet. You’re entitled to your opinion, and most people here (including myself) will welcome them, but you have to offer something to the debate as well.

There’s my two cents. Place your bets as to how many people I just irritated }>

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RE: Books

This is mostly complete, there are a few new additions that I haven’t logged in yet.

Reference
Aerospace Encyclopedia of World Air Forces. David Willis (Ed.), 1999.
Airliners Of The World. Stewart Wilson, 1999.
Attack And Interceptor Jets. Michael Sharpe, 1999.
Battleships And Carriers. Steve Crawford, 1999.
Brassey’s World Aircraft And Systems Directory 1996/97
Brassey’s World Aircraft And Systems Directory 1999/2000
The Encyclopedia of Civil Aircraft. David Donald (Ed.), 1999.
Encyclopedia Of World Military Aircraft, Volume 1. David Donald, John Lake (Eds.), 1994.
Encyclopedia Of World Military Aircraft, Volume 2. David Donald, John Lake (Eds.), 1994.
The Great Book Of Fighters. William Green, Gordon Swanborough, 2001.
The Great Book Of Modern Warplanes. Mike Spick (Ed.), 2000.
The Illustrated Directory Of Aircraft Armament. Bill Gunston, 1988.
The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Military Aircraft. Enzo Angelucci (Ed.), 2001.
The International Directory Of Military Aircraft 2000/01. Gerard Frawley, 2000.
The International Directory Of Military Aircraft 2002/03. Gerard Frawley, 2002.
Jane’s Aircraft Recognition Guide. 1996.
Jane’s Aircraft Recognition Guide. 1999.
Jane’s Land Based Air Defence 1992-93
Jane’s Land Based Air Defence 2000-2001
Jane’s Warship Recognition Guide. 1999.
Missiles Of The World. Michael J.H. Taylor, John W.R. Taylor, 1972.
Modern Airborne Missiles. Bill Gunston, 1983.
The Pocket Guide To Military Aircraft and The World’s Airforces. David Donald (Ed.), 2001.
The Illustrated Directory of Tanks Of The World. David Miller, 2000.
US Air Force Air Power Directory. David Donald (Ed.), 1992.
US Navy & Marine Corps Air Power Directory. David Donald, John Lake (Eds.), 1992.

Soviet/Russian
First Person. Vladimir Putin, 2000.
Flankers-The New Generation. Yefim Gordon, 2001.
The Illustrated Directory of Modern Soviet Weapons. Ray Bonds (Ed.), 1986.
Midnight Diaries. Boris Yeltsin, 2000.
MiG Aircraft since 1937. Bill Gunston, Yefim Gordon, 1998.
MiG-Fifty Years Of Secret Aircraft Design. Rostislav A. Belyakov, Jacques Marmain, 1994.
MiG-23/27 Flogger in action (Squadron/Signal #101). Hans-Heiri Stapfer, 1990.
MiG-25 ‘Foxbat’ and MiG-31 ‘Foxhound’. Yefim Gordon, 1997.
MiG-29 Flight Manual Declassified. Alan R. Wise, 2001.
MiG-29 Fulcrum. Jay Miller, 1991.
MiG-29 Fulcrum in action (Squadron/Signal #112). Hans-Heiri Stapfer, 1991.
Mikoyan MiG-29 Fulcrum. Yefim Gordon, 1999.
Monino-The Russian Air Force Museum. Colin W. Prentice, 1997.
OKB MiG. Piotr Butowski, Jay Miller, 1991.
OKB Sukhoi. Vladimir Antonov et. al., 1996.
On My Country And The World. Mikhail Gorbachev, 2000.
The Osprey Encyclopedia Of Russian Aircraft. Bill Gunston, 2000.
Russian Aircraft. A.G. Bratukhin (Ed.), 1995.
Russian Air Power. Yefim Gordon, Alan Dawes, 2002.
Soviet & East European Major Combat Aircraft. Michael J.H. Taylor (Ed.), 1990.
Soviet Military Power 1986.
Soviet SST-The Technopolitics Of The Tupolev-144. Howard Moon, 1989.
Soviet X-Planes. Yefim Gordon, Bill Gunston, 2000.
Su-27 Flanker Story. Andrei Fomin, 2000.
Sukhoi Fitters in action (Squadron/Signal #90). Hans-Heiri Stapfer, 1989.
Sukhoi S-37 and Mikoyan MFI. Yefim Gordon, 2001.
Sukhoi Su-27 Flanker. Yefim Gordon, 1999.
Tupolev Aircraft since 1922. Bill Gunston, 1995.
Tupolev-The Man And His Aircraft. Paul Duffy, Andrei Kandalov, 1996.
Tupolev Tu-22 ‘Blinder’ and Tu-22M ‘Backfire’. Yefim Gordon, Vladimir Rigmant, 1998.
Vintage Russian-Props and Jets of the Iron Curtain. Colin Ballantine, 1998.
Voronezh’s Aircrafts. V. V. Gagin, 1995.
Warships Of The USSR And Russia 1945-1995. A. S. Pavlov, 1997.
Yakolev’s V/STOL Fighters. John Fricker, Piotr Butowski, 1995.

American
A-12 Blackbird Declassified. Jeanette Remak, Joseph Ventolo Jr., 2001.
America’s Stealth Fighters And Bombers. James Goodall, 1992.
A/RA-5 Vigilante (Squadron/Signal Mini In Action #3). Terry Love, 1995.
Aurora-The Pentagon’s Secret Hypersonic Spyplane. Bill Sweetman, 1993.
B-2 Spirit in action (Squadron/Signal #178). James Goodall, 2002.
Bone B-1 Lancer in action (Squadron/Signal #179). Lou Drendel, 2002.
Combat Legends: SR-71 Blackbird. Paul F. Crickmore, 2002.
Convair B-58 Hustler. Jay Miller, 1997.
Dark Eagles-A History of Top Secret U.S. Aircraft Programs. Curtis Peebles, 1995.
F-4 Phantom II in action (Squadron/Signal #65). Larry Davis, 1984.
F-4C, F-4D & RF-4C Phantom II (Detail & Scale Volume 43). Bert Kinzey, 1994.
F-89 Scorpion (Detail & Scale Volume 41). Bert Kinzey, 1992.
Grumman Navy F-11B Swing Wing (Naval Fighters #41). Tommy Thomason, 1998.
Inside The Stealth Bomber. Bill Sweetman, 1999.
Joint Strike Fighter-Boeing X-32 vs. Lockheed Martin X-35. Bill Sweetman, 1999.
Lockheed Martin’s Skunk Works. Jay Miller, 1995.
Lockheed Secret Projects-Inside The Skunk Works. Dennis R. Jenkins, 2001.
Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird. Paul F. Crickmore, 1988.
Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird. Bill Holder, 2002.
Lockheed SR-71/YF-12 Blackbirds (Warbird Tech #10). Dennis R. Jenkins, 1997.
Lockheed Stealth. Bill Sweetman, 2001.
North American Aircraft 1934-1999, Volume 2. Kevin Thompson, 1999.
North American XB-70 Valkyrie-A Photo Chronicle. John M. Campbell, Garry R. Pape, 1996.
North American XB-70A Valkyrie (Warbird Tech #34). Dennis R. Jenkins, Tony Landis, 2002.
SR-71 Blackbird. James Goodall, 1995.
SR-71 Blackbird In Action (Squadron/Signal #55). Lou Drendel, 1982.
XB-70 Valkyrie-The Ride to Valhalla. Jeanette Remak, Joseph Ventolo Jr., 1998.
The X-Planes: X-1 to X-45. Jay Miller, 2001.

Other
Air Launch! A Pictorial History of Airborne Weapons. Bill Holder, Scott Vadnais, 2001.
The Cold War-A Military History. David Miller, 1999.
Concorde. Gunter Endres, 2001.
The Concorde Story. Christopher Orlebar, 1997.
Fighter And Stealth Aircraft. Joseph M. Parramon Homs (Ed.), 1998.
Gulf Air War Debrief. Stan Morse (Ed.), 1991.
Jane’s Battleships Of The 20th Century. Bernard Ireland, 1996.
The Modern Civil Aircraft Guide. David Donald (Ed.), 1999.
Stealth Warplanes. Doug Richardson, 2001.
Techniques And Equipment Of Electronic Warfare. Doug Richardson, 1985.
The World’s Worst Aircraft. Bill Yenne, 1999.

History/Tactics/Philosophy/Science
Achtung-Panzer! Major-General Heinz Guderian.
The Art Of War. Sun Tzu.
An Atlas of World History. Gerald A. Danzer, 2000.
Atlas of World History. John Haywood, 2001.
The Encyclopedia of World History. Peter N. Stearns (Ed.), 2001.
The Federalist Papers. James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, John Jay.
Five Dialogues. Plato.
The God Particle. Leon Lederman, 1993.
The Greek and Macedonian Art Of War
K-19-The Widowmaker. Peter Huchthausen, Capt. USN (Ret.), 2002.
The Lost Art Of War. Sun Tzu II
Nicomachean Ethics. Aristotle.
On War. Carl Von Clausewitz.
Panzer Leader. General Heinz Guderian.
The Prince. Niccolo Machiavelli.
Symposium. Plato.

Magazines/Periodicals
AirForces Monthly
September 1999
April-December 2000
January-September 2001
March 2002
August 2002-Oct 02
X-Planes2 Special
Phantom Special
Top Gun Combat Special

Air International
March 1999
March 2000-December 2000
January 2001-October 2001
December 2001
January 2002
May 2002
July 2002-Oct 02

Air & Space
November 1994
March 2002

Aircraft Illustrated
March-May 2000
July 2000
October 2000

Airpower
March 2001
May 2001
May 2002
September 2002

Aviasalon Mira
No. 4

Aviatsiya I Kosmonatika
1.2000
4.2000

Aviatsiya Vremya
1/2000

Combat Aircraft
Volume 2-No. 1
Volume 2-No’s. 5-12
Volume 3-No’s. 1-6
Volume 4-No’s. 1-3

Combat Missions/Warplane
August 1990

International Air Power Review
Volume 1-5 (current subscription, library edition)
Carrier Aviation Air Power Directory

Military Parade
4/2000

Popular Science
March 2002
July 2002

Vestnik Aerospace Herald
2/2000

Wings
April 2001
August 2002

Wings of Fame
Volumes 7,8,12,17,19

World Air Power Journal
Volumes 1 (Spring 1990)-43 (Winter 2000) (complete run)

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RE: For dcfly and Hand…and anyone else whos interested.

Kabir-I agree. Pedals are the way to go for me-I get the sound I want for a hell of a lot cheaper! The key to a good guitar sound as I have found is the guitar itself: if the guitar sounds like ##### unplugged, it usually doesn’t sound very good no matter what effects you use.

A question for everyone: neck-through or bolt-on? Neck-through gives you great sustain but means a lot more $$$, but bolt-on can deliver clearer, crisper sounding individual notes. My Jacksons are bolt-ons merely due to the fact that they were cheaper, but I have no complaints as I can get perfectly good sustain through my setup when I want it. So my vote goes for bolt-on: equally versatile with the right equipment rig, but a lot cheaper (which means you can buy more guitars!). What does everyone else think?

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RE: For dcfly and Hand…and anyone else whos interested.

Guitars? I can get in on this.

I have three of ’em, one is a standard Yamaha P.O.S. that cost me like $150. Strat-style body, two cheap-o humbuckers, not too bad to start with. Of course, its now eight years old, and looks and sounds like it!

My other two are black Jackson (the only brand!) King V’s. One is 24 fret, tuned to E, tunamatic bridge; the other is 22 fret, tuned to Eb, Floyd Rose bridge.

I play through the clean channel of a Charvel amp, and use a DOD FX86 distortion box along with a Morley wah.

My only complaint? There’s no gig bag for a King V. Them gigantic hardshell cases are a pain in the ass to lug all over the place sometimes.

Influences: Bill Steer, Dave Mustaine, Mike Amott, them guys from Sentenced who’s names I never spell right.

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RE: Chechens threaten to kill 700 hostages in Moscow theatre

The Chechens honestly think this is a good idea? If they blow up that building Putin is liable to do one of two things: 1), level every square inch of Chechnya, through the judicious use of TOS-1 thermobaric MRL’s, or 2), I’ll give you a hint, it involves a suitcase. If they keep pulling this crap I’m going to start pulling for #2. You don’t encourage rebels, you put them down. China should do the same for that matter, but that’s another debate entirely.

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RE: Russian FAEs (thermobaric weapons)… AGAIN

TOS-1 (or Buratino to the Russians) was ludicrously effective in Chechnya, especially when they fired on Groznyy }>

Heres a better picture, from said operation in Chechnya.

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RE: Tupolev 144

The NK-144 turbofans in the Tu-144 prototype and Tu-144S series-produced aircraft were viciously inefficient (like that? hehe). The prototype had something like a riduculously low 1900 mile range with max payload. The Tu-144S had modified engines and better performance (4030 miles with max payload), but it was still less than what they wanted. The RD-36-51 turbojets in the Tu-144D were light years better. They enabled the Tu-144 to supercruise w/out afterburner, extending range to 4300 miles with max payload. The Tu-144LL that NASA leased used NK-321 turbofans from the Tu-160 strategic bomber, and had an effective range of around 3500 miles (again, you guessed it, with max payload).

For comparison, Concorde’s range is 3870 miles with max payload. 100 passengers are typically carried (131 max), compared to 140 for the Tu-144S and Tu-144D. Obviously both aircraft would be able to fly farther with less payload and more fuel (if you have max payload, you usually can’t carry max fuel and still take off under the MGTOW limit).

Yes, the canard foreplanes were there to improve low-speed handling and agility. Great addition. Concorde does have two small strakes near the nose for a similar purpose, but it doesn’t need anything as elaborate as its aerodynamics are more refined.

Regardless, the Concorde will get all the glory because it is still in service. The Tu-144D, however, was arguably a more capable SST, and the Russian aerospace industry should get a huge gold star for this accomplishment. Had the Tu-144D been the aircraft that flew on Decmber 31, 1968, the SST race might have turned out a lot different.

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