B-25’s in UK (and continent)?! Where?
so finally she went home! Remember seeing her in mars 2005 and the guy’s, at the time restoring a Beech in the same hangar let me in to see her, thanks. (Are they finnished with the Beech? Tomcat-Phil you know the Beech-planes!) They said she had to return to US before november (2005) becourse of the ensurance paperwork… but time fly.
At that time, 2005, there where 5(?!) Mitchells in UK, but now only two remains, (Hendon and Dx?). Hope attachment is included with a picture of BedSheetBomber, she was the purpose of the visit at North Weald.
The other three went to Holland (BedSeetBomber?), Belgium (GGAnn?) and US (Grumpy)?
What about the french Mitchell, did she go to a Swiss-collector? Not RedBull, is it?
Happy for updates on the Mitchell-status over here and in Russia!
Although Grumpy left for the USA, you still have our dutch “Sarinah” B-25 for your viewing enjoyment ;)…
Grtz,
TG1984
đ O yes, sorry! You got a real nice collection at Gilzen?, or did the planes move to an other base. Remember reading that a Mustang, some time ago was added to the assembly. Are they still operated from the same base, and where?
The concentration of airthings at Chino is perfect, rent a car and get map, best thing for us EU dudes. And Spruce down the road in Corona, got my suitcases ‘full of screws, bolts, nuts, rivets and brackets’ etc. But they came 3 days later then my arrival at home, all there but bags destroyed and scotched together!
I went to CAF at Camarillo, north, just ‘straight’ drive and Reagan Lib. is on the way ‘slightly off’ the highway uphills, F14A and a airforce one maybe the only one to get in to and a helio and ofcourse alot more.
Just by LAX you have the resturant with the glasfiber planes, I did’t know about the resturant but my friend in LA took me there for food before boarding, heard/read that copies had been done with help from Kermit Weeks aparently for some static and guategard positions in the country. Don’t miss to get inside in the diffr. rooms alot of pic’s and history, TuskyAirman (spelling).
The Allied forces made some major invasions, Marocko, Sicily, Normandie and alot of islands in the paciffic. They wanted to avoid an equal or more allied-human-costly invasion of the japaneese mainland.
If the a-bomb existed in 1943-44 maybe the Ruhr-area, Bremen-Bremerhafen and Hamburg would have been better, more logical(:eek:) targets then Berlin.
Russian aircraft in UK
Well, just one!
Tupolev Tu-4 Bull!!
Vulcan as nuclear carrier in SwAF?
Swedish Vulcans ?? see previous thread
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=83787&highlight=swedish+Vulcans
Following this thread I thought what about us, swedish airforce, until cadman’s link to Jan’s input.
But I only remember (reading?) about the intention of the Vulcan in swedish service as connected to our nuclear program at the time. The nuclear program was later scrapped, so no Vulcan. Not knowing of the Vulcan as a replacement to the Canberras as a recc.- spyplane.
Come on then, can we put a name and location to it?
Moggy
Sorry Moggy:o
Yes, this is no kidding around.
Dambusters Inn, Scampton village, 53 18′ 05 28″N, 0 34′ 20 84″V with a nice picture outside the pub on goggle earth
(since driving, took this ladies mix you got in UK, beer and soda)
Supposedly theres a good pub just down from Scampton full of Dambuster/617 memorabilia, I wouldn’t know however having just stood outside since being 13/14 at the time they refused to let me in even just for a quick look round the place. đĄ
Visited this bar after HHA’s first open day at Scampton a couple of years ago (may 2007?).
What I first remember is the large! Lancaster instrumentpanel, it’s magnificent, the air alarmbell, rear gunners bulletprof glas (B17?), lots of lose stuff, photos and finaly a lovely girl inside the bar.:D
This bar was wurth the tripp in it’s self.
The guards at Scampton was kind and showed us around inside the base, Niggers grave, Red Arrows hangars, barracks etc. Realy nice people both at base and bar!
Under dismantling today.
Hi Binbrook and Last Lightning and all,
have you past the Elms Golf today and been able to take any pictures of the dismantling going on? Always interresting with pictures showing the dismantling of different airplane types, and the size of the pieces.
Seems the plane in not going to be moved to many miles away. (Sorry, don’t know where.)
A bid has been accepted
Just got a phone call that a deal has gone thru, they have accepted an offer. But I don’t know who.
Seen the plane in 2006 and hope she gets a great home.
Glider museum in Sweden
In Sweden Ă lleberg comes to mind when you talk about gliders and their history. The museum keep some of the planes in airworthy condition.
Take a look, click on the door!
http://www.svs-se.org/museum/
Even if it’s in swedish..:eek:, could be of interrest for some.:)
J 35 Draken at Rinkaby
These are sad….http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=36799
The three J 35 Draken airframes in pics where all brought to Halmstad for scrapping some 1,5 month ago together with the remains of the Saab Sk 60. What about the cars etc I don’t know. All aircraft that remains at Rinkaby is a intact J 35 as gateguard.
Lancaster wreck at Porjus
There has been a rising local activity at Porjus to keep the wreck “as is”. I think they have manage to make the site a “K-mĂ€rkt” place, meaning that it’s not allowed to be changed, by removal etc.
In FP, or the other paper, some years back one magasin had Lancaster as the topic and a swed, born up north, wrote about Elsy. Don’t have the paper by my side, but the Air Force Museum saved some parts and brought them to the museum in 1985. The way RW writes, that “due to lack of interest in it, it was taken back” in 1992 is not realy correct. Just for lack of interest you don’t take it all the way back, transport Linköping-Vidsel with C-130, by car to Porjus and by helicopter the last distance.
Think the local activity got the museum to bring it back. So can’t realy see it Easie’ly done to take her away from there.
An other project to focus on would be the Lancaster south of Skanör/Falsterbo, in the water, at depth of about 18-20 meters. Papers are already done, now it’s up to a proper location and money to take care of the plane. This one is also in a ‘bad’ condition, but consider Easy Els (reading the swedish paper above) landed with uc out bounced 75 meters, slided for 175 and then stoped on the nose, fell back down, (probably) put on fire by crew and burnt out all the way from nose to empanage, and from left- to right inner engines. The engines, turrents etc was taken by the SwAF at the time. Later a scrapp dealer “dismantled” the remaining fuselage and wings but never collected it. The outerwings and engines where pretty intact at the time (1944).
Easy Elsie has been debated by swedish air entusiasts but as often a solid plan, money and logistics, to recover has not been presentated. Now local athorities has been awoked and further plans to recover will be hard. To build a “shed” in situ would not be easily done either.
Sorry, alot of negative swedish thought’s but my positive thoughts and actions goes to other rare and more intact airframes to save.
Kee Bird
noted an other discussion about Kee Bird at;
http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com/forums/warbirds/5277-recent-kee-bird-picture.html
but the guy Reew……. has some pictures on Kee Bird, but have not found any pictures after the NOVA (not BBC!) film. Do anyone have updates on this. The Kee Bird homepage (just) talkes about the history until the crew was rescued but there are nothing of the status today (2009)!
KB burnt and broke in pieces, the centerwing should be non usefull for restoration and front fuselage was broken of just front of centerwing, how much burnt? Aft also broken of, tailgunners compartment ok? Fouga talks of outerwings and engines?, yes but what happend after they bulldozed all the pieces together?
On the link ‘homebuilders’ above one of the last entries talks about Hoffmans book and seems to have read it. Hoffman describes that they missed to dismantle the temporay fueltank to the auxill…. (the put put) after starting up the engines. And when taxiing the fuel splashed on the warm put put and. Todays status anyone??
Lawrence
KeeBird remains
After the tragic fire with KeeBird and the Daryl Greenemyer men left, I read in Hunting Warbirds that the guy (??) with the original recovery permit had to go back and ‘clean up’, bulldoze the camp- and aircraft remains all together in a ‘pile’?! He and some military (Thule) men went back to see, it was stated in the original papers that the sight would be cleared-cleaned when finnished with KeeBird.
I do hope that some remains has been saved and moved to ‘civilisation’. The BBC program ended with the fire, but the book described more and out of that it felt like it all was waisted-trashed?!
The Dutch B-29, is that one in storage or crached in the sea??