most of all, waverider is a cruise missile, and the meteor is a A2A missile… not much relation between them…
if you consider as “modern” only those that entered service in the last decade, they probably all can, but considering there are only handful of these, one may say that there are quite a number of “pretty modern fighters” that can’t
considering these “performance claims”, I guess we’ll still be here arguing for years.. until some F-35’s finally come to their units and (some time later again) they start facing other aircraft.. then we’ll have a clearer picture of what they can or can’t do.
thing is, even LM’s aim was, they admitted, to match F-16’s performance, not get better.. and for a strike aircraft (which it is, even if some politicians/airforces believe they buy an “all rounder” ) it’s not bad.
Now, believing it will outperform fighters built with agility in mind, well, sorry, I don’t buy it… it has a powerful engine, but it’s also very heavy… put that engine in an f-16 and you’ll get fabulous performance. put it in a 30000lbs aircraft and you get a good flying brick, not unlike the f-105 or the F-4 at its time. Good striker but not a dogfighter
the cockpit was “partly burned” from ejection seat rocket from what I’ve read, but, with the canopy, it was about all damage the aircraft recevied
That is called a “soft-kill” by the smart use of air-power by the NATO. By cold logic the Serbian forces gave the wrong impression to the own people and leadership they had a military option at all. Wrong bravery and stupid behavior the sad results from that in mind.
actually, many people I know had the mindset “let them come on the ground” about NATO… and when milosevic lost elections a little later, it’s is not impossible that his decision to stop was related (at least partly) to his loss.
what’s more, I doubt he didn’t know how his forces were doing… he most certainly had a pretty good idea of their status.
anyway, it’s past, and the discussion here is about their future equipment, no? 😉
Thing about serbia you must remember is that they had basically no air force to work with, which reduced greatly their possibilities. About half dozen aircraft, in poor state (not much in a way of functionning electronics of any kind) and lacking support facing fully supported raids in numbers superior to the complete number of airworthy (or almost) aircraft serbs had…
so, “hide and run” was about as much as they could do against air threat… staying to fight would be what NATO would love to see them do, as they’d be easy targets in such scenario… if you just stand in the open while the other side is certain to kill you while you stay there, you’re not brave, you’re stupid. as for “protecting themselves or their ground forces”, the ground forces did quite well… waiting the ground contact which NATO wanted to avoid as much as possible (in case you missed it, NATO never attacked on the ground, and their forces occupied the territory only after serb leaders decided to stop it all… )
trade sanctions against US goods? that’s the key… put 10000% tax on the gripen’s engine (US product) and it’s suddenly the costliest proposal for the FAB 😀
I guess we may see a video come out with crosshairs over the raptor sooner or later, if this patch is “well founded”
anyway, I don’t think the mirages 2000-9 and rafales proposals are connected (except in brasilian proposition), since UAE want france to retake the mirages, the french if willing to sell rafales there have to do something with these.
Equipping the AdlA isn’t really an option, since these aircraft are very different from the french Mk2’s and the clear will is to unify the fleet, having only one type to support: the rafale
it’s another story… and it’s obviously peanuts compared to what the US taxpayer would have spared/gained through a real competition… in such a big deal as the KC-X market
anyway, each year, airbus takes a little more market shares from boeing… the USA could have had a bigger part of that through A330 assembly line on US soil, instead of what, they’ll just keep a line that was supposed to close for lack of orders with lesser production of an older airframe
well, now the money will be american, it will just go in bigger quantities from taxpayers pockets to boeing’s ones 😉
it’s great news for boeing, that’s certain…
slightly distorted vison of reality it seems… and quite outside the subject too… 😀
er, not to be picky but the definition of “supersonic” is “faster than sound”, which means >Mach 1. Since 1.2>1, anything going at mach 1.2 is, by definition, supesonic
At the end of the day, the Boeing product…which looks rather nice with winglets and its 3-point probe & drogue refueling system, plus a boom refueling recepticle above the cockpit) meets all USAF criteria. If it keeps more work in the US than the competition, why not buy it.
If Airbus/NG can guarentee the same…that’s a different matter. But we know, they can’t do it. The promise of building civil freighter in the US is just a ruse for the gullible.
er no, “we” don’t know anything similar, just boeing (and obviously YOU) would love to make pepople believe that crap.. it’s a bit different. Just like the “40 billion dollars fuel overcost”… According to boeing, Airbus eats fuel while the 767 (an older airframe, with older aerodimanc concept and all that) runs on thin air? yeah, right 😀
Serbia will not be able to develop anything more advanced than the Lasta within the next 20 years or so. What they can dream of, at the most is a squadron or two of decent second hand jets. Such as Mig 29s, Gripens or F-16s. That they would start developing their own fighters are pure fantasies.
it’s not about “starting to develop”.. they started before, it would be “taking over” the studies that were done previously and they wouldn’t be alone in that area since the french were involved already at the time.
If you simply look at that airframe you can see the commonality with the rafale… there were yugoslav engineers and french ones working together on it… if there was the will, they’d be able to produce that thing, and it wouldn’t cost as much as a complete development of a new aircraft, and could probably be done in a matter of 4-5 years, since it would use “off the shelf” equipments already developed for the rafale as well as initial studies from before wars in the balkans