In Christopher Orlebar’s excellent book on Concorde, it is told how the American’s accusations about Concorde’s noise pollution went very quiet when noise tests at J.F.K. revealed that the then ‘Air Force One’ made more noise on takeoff. . .
Back in the late seventies my family used to holiday in Cornwall, we stayed at the same house for a few years running and my parents used to notice on Wednesday? nights, the big lounge window this place had used to go ‘THUMP’ once, about the same time always, we think it was when Concorde went through the sound barrier on the way out to the Bay of Biscay.
Excellent work spitfireman, much of the artwork of the Dambusters Lancasters has tended to concentrate on Gibson’s ED932 AJ-G, so it is welcome to see some of the lesser known crews’ aircraft featured.
On a footnote to this has anything recognisable from Byers’ ED934 AJ-K ever been trawled up or a search for the wreck taken place, although as the whole crew bar the rear gunner went down with the aircraft, so it would be a designated war grave. . .
I started out around 11 with what was in my father’s cupboard, can remember reading ‘Bomber’ and ‘Fighter’ by Len Deighton and ‘Bomber Command’ by Max Hastings, the chapter about 82 Squadron and the horrific losses they suffered flying Blenheims had quite an impact on me. Still have them as they came with me when I left home! Does anybody remember the fictional series of books by Robert Jackson with R.A.F. fighter pilot George Yeoman and Hans Richter, his opposite in the Luftwaffe? Dad had ‘Hurricane Squadron’, set in the Battle of France and the final one ‘The Last Battle’ where he flew Gloster Meteors against Richter in an ME262, both survive too!
First book I bought, and still have was ‘Antiques Of The Air’ by Michael F. Jerram which featured all the warbirds that were flying both sides of the Atlantic in the late seventies, a good number of them happily still are now.
Hi all, the talk of TB382 got my brain turning, according to the BBMF 2008 brochure she along with TE311, the other ex Exhibition Aircraft, was accquired by the flight for spares recovery in 2002. It states ‘dismantled for spares and struck off charge’. Also TE311 used in spares recovery programme, but is now being restored back to flight with the help of the Lincolnshire Lancaster Association. By an article I read possibly on here ‘TB was a bare shell with many missing parts by then. Wonder what happened to the Data Plate!
There are two good photo’s of 57 and 630 Squadron Lancs showing the painted tailfins on page 112 of ‘Lancaster At War 2’, one in the background is marked LE-C. By the way did any of the 50 or so B1 (BV11 Interim) Lancs with the Frazer-Nash mid upper turret moved forward that were built before NX611 and all the other BV11’s serve with 57 or 630 at East Kirkby?
An absolutely fantastic restoration, and superb photographs congratulations to the H11 team and Hawker Restorations. Hope she has a long and safe flying career. There is a picture of the what may well be the original BE505 on page 43 of Norman Franks ‘Hurricane At War 2’ with the caption stating. . .
‘Less lucky during the Dieppe operation on 19 August 1942 was Flt Sgt. C.B. Watson of 174 Squadron. His Hurricane was hit by ground fire and went into the harbour, fortunately he survived to become a prisoner. An Australian, his Hurricane has a kangaroo motif and the name ‘Pegs’ the aircraft was possibly BE505 XP-L.’
Interestingly this book also has a picture of P2617 and AE977 on page 86!
Here she is in April ’07, awaiting the axe. Apart from the prototype are any early 747’s preserved anywhere even in the desert?
From the article in ‘Lancaster At War 1’ the authors say the nose would maintain it’s identity particuarly if it bore nose-art or an emblem, as the RAF wanted Lanc’s repaired and tested to replace the losses as fast as possible one with a mix of Packards or Rolls-Royce Merlins wasn’t unknown most likely, in ‘At War 3’ they say some pilots preferred the B1’s as the RR Merlins weren’t so prone to overheating on the ground. Today PA474 probably has a Packard or two fitted on it, whatever in their stock is ‘zero-houred’ and fits!
There is a photo of R5868 in Garbett and Goulding’s ‘Lancaster At War 3’ having a major rebuild rebuild in 1944 at Bracebridge Heath minus the nose section, in ‘Lancaster At War 1’ they explain how when the Lanc’s were rebuilt it was ‘first off the line’ which meant that very rarely would an airframe’s major parts be reunited back together, only the nose would keep it’s original identity, a picture shows the serial number chalked on the side of a nose section awaiting it’s fuselage.
Hi Eddie , yes i agree an amount of originality will be lost. Hopefully ARCO will only replace the spar booms but who knows what they might find after 68 yrs. Steve
I remember having a booklet about the BBMF in the mid-eighties, which showed a picture of P7350’s main spar which had suffered damage when the Merlin that had been fitted since 1944 was changed before or during her return to the air and use in filming ‘Battle Of Britain’ in 1968. It was serious enough to ground her for a while in the early eighties. It was something to do with the fuel pipes I think, but only going by memory as I don’t have the booklet now- over to you Mark V! So quite likely some originality was lost then.
Couldn’t have put that better myself Phanton Phixer. As I was at Duxford in 1996 it was bad enough seeing it for real, and having the whole thing shown on the evening news later on. Unfortunatley a seemingly large element of the public now gets a kick out of this in varying degrees from tragic events like this to people ripping chunks out of other people in all the awful reality:mad: TV that we are bombarded with.
An excellent piece of work your Spitfire Barry, back on topic I went to the excellent cafe/museum at Manston two weeks ago. In the ‘Spitfire’ part is a dehavilland bracket prop from a Blenheim that crashed just off the Kent coast, I forget the serial but the pilot avoided crashing onto a coastal town. Interestingly after about forty years undersea the prop still had most of it’s paint and the boss was still dripping oil out as a patch on the museum carpet and catch tray showed! It was trawled up and was going to be thrown away fortunately a local enthusiast saved it, great work that man. If anybody has any more information or a better memory than me on this could they put it up for us all?
The comment above reminds me of when I went on one of the Dakota Farewell Flights back in May this year, Biggin Hill was our original departure point, this was ruled out by the Hypocrites at Bromley Council on the grounds of noise, the operator to their credit switched the flights to Southend and laid on a coach to take all of us there and back, while waiting to leave on the coach in the departure lounge at Biggin two biz-jets took off making far more noise than any Dakota. Money talks as usual. . . .:(
I have lived pretty close to Brands Hatch all my life and the same problem there, it has existed since 1926 but still people move in locally and try to get it closed down. Will sign that petition as it applies to racing circuits as much as airfields too. . . .
One from ‘Porn Tube’ the name alone meant it got deleted!
Sorry canberra-tt18 I’m not THE captainslow! A fan of T.G. and it has been used as an occasional nickname. Glad you like the picture!