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  • in reply to: "Unlimited" air racing in the UK? #2120294
    IndianaTony
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    RE: Unlimited air racing

    There has been some quite good feedback thus far. Several people have identified what makes it attractive, as well as some of the pitfalls. As David says, this idea was tried on a limited basis before, and it was a reasonable success.

    I have spoken to a TV producer acquaintance who didn’t think it would be overly difficult, to get coverage for it, if certain factors were in place.

    It has to look glamourous, fast, risky and the machines being raced, have to be noisy! He also banged on about cockpit cameras, and location, from a TV technical point of view. I like the Dover(White cliffs) idea, I’ll suggest that to him!

    The idea, is not for owners, to flog their wqarbirds to death in the name of sport. It is however, to make sure, that Warbirds get to a very wide audience. As Mick says,it’s not entirely remonved from the tail-chasing that goes on at airshows, but it also gives an audience, a chance to see aircraft , operating in a “freeer” environment.

    I imagine, the airfield that the aircraft were based at, be it Lee, Thorney Island, Goodwood etc, would certainly make an interesting weekend for spotters, enthusiasts, photographers etc.

    Patrick the TV producer, was going on about interspersing WW2 footage with presentations of individual aircraft. His point was, if you want to make it a “live” event, then certain things would have to happen, and that included guaranteeing, that the aircraft would be there in the first place! Mind you, he was also going on about mounting cameras on pylons etc. Oner of the reasons he thinks it does have a lot of interest, is the viewing figures, that anything involving vintage aircraft , or anything with a hint of wartime attracts, and yes, if you can get a mainstream TV company to cover it, or even a satellite one, then the major commercial sponsors, WILL fall over themselves to be involved, he thinks that that part, is largely an irrelevance.

    Royal Aero Club and FAI participation, is also fairly essential. However, i note on the FAI site, that they are trying to get a “Grand Prix” circuit established for air racing. The are also images from this website.. http://www.haute-voltige.com/int/eventmotegi2001/photos_2000.htm

    In particular, look at the way the Toyota team are flying, and this takes place, inside a small Motor-racing circuit!

    Yes I know, the CAA would have several litters of kittens
    So yes, we are talking about a small airshow, but full of glamour, and a nice bit of PR for Warbirds…. So, any owners, Air Show organisers etc care to comment?

    Tony

    in reply to: "Unlimited" air racing in the UK? #2120444
    IndianaTony
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    RE: Unlimited air racing

    I certainly, do not want to bastardise airframes, in the name of sport.

    This kind of Air racing, took place post war, and into the 50’s. At the end of the day, the decision to take place in an event of this kind, is down to the Pilots/owners.

    There are several suitable areas in the UK for this activity. No, the CAA will not permit aircraft, that have not been specifically designed, or modified under stringent regulations to take part in this.

    I am not suggesting Reno, this is Europe. An event of this kind can be tailored to local regulations/tastes.

    and it will end up achieving something a lot of us want, Warbirds being brought to a wider audience, as mainstream entertainment.

    The warbirds element, forms only a part of the hypothetical event, not the whole

    Tony

    in reply to: any fighters or bombers? #2120704
    IndianaTony
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    RE: any fighters or bombers?

    How authentic is BoB?

    I asked my father, he said it was the most authentic portrayal, of men at war, since the original “All quiet on the Western Front”

    How does Dad know?

    My father came ashore on D-Day+30 , with Irish Guards Armoured, he fought during Operation Goodwood,and the Arnhem Bridge attempt, then into Belgium. The winter of 1944, was terrible, and yes, the Germans were using “airburst” rounds, to try to penetrate the forest foliage.

    The episode, which involved fighting in the village, or Fibua (Fighting in built up areas) from my own experience, are tremendously accurate, you don’t kick a door down and wait, you hurl yourself at it, your oppo will do the shooting. Likewise, the Tank sequences, with the British officer, who has to “Look at the Tiger” to believe it. Dad said the sound of Tigers in BoB, took him right back, when Tigers, and Michael Wittman were the “Bogeymen” in France, and you were always sure you could hear a Maybach in the middle of the night!
    The attack to capture the guns, is an almost textbook demonstration, of how to do it…. Establish covering Firebase, then Fire and manouvere onto the target.. except, that’s how the British do it!But still, a very very effective piece of film.

    My father says, it brings memories flooding back, and for once, he’s not sitting there, thinking,”They got that wrong” The air armadas , for D-Day, and the Arnhem drop, had to be seen to be believed.

    Someone commented on the “Thunderbirds” effects I think? When the Guards were waiting to go, the airroutes via Nijmegen and onto the Rhine, were an absolute curtain of Flak. DC3 crews, braved an absolute storm of fire, to try and deliver their cargos to the drop zone. This particular sequence, did affect my father very deeply.

    He still can’t bring himself, to talk about Episode 8. Some of you, may have seen the famous Black and White newsreel film, of British Soldiers liberating one camp. Dad says the only touch of authenticity missing, was the German civilians getting roughhoused by irate upset and angry soldiers, it did happen. In fact, one British actor of note, now dead, as an officer, had to be physically restrained, from his threat to shoot the local Burgermeister, after witnessing the terrible scenes.

    The only things he does criticise, (with a tongue in cheek grumble)is the lack of British Soldiers, it doesn’t rain nearly enough, and they get trucks to ride around in…..

    But as he says, it was a very long time ago….. but sometimes, it’s good to remember the good parts

    Tony

    in reply to: No more heroes……… #2120902
    IndianaTony
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    RE: No more heroes………

    Well said Snapper,

    The only thing that makes me sad, is how few people on this board, can be bothered to say a few words on his passing.

    This man, as well as being a thoroughly nice person, was also instrumental, in some of the most important aviation developments, in the 50’s , 60’s and 70s.

    So, if we as enthusiasts, cannot say a few words, and express we are grateful for what he did, then what hope is there?

    Blue Skies Roland

    Tony

    in reply to: Berlin Wreck – what is it? #2120905
    IndianaTony
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    RE: Berlin Wreck – what is it?

    Sadsack,

    Can you give a greater description of what you saw? It still sounds like parts of the Condor, which were sitting outside, except the Condors undercarriage is an unmistakeable arrangement.

    You can find some pictures, at http://www.airrace.de

    As regards the Lancaster, they are having problems identifying the aircraft too! I’ve sent a list of Lancasters lost in the area, during the time in question, which they are working against. I will try and raise some piccies during the week, and post them here.

    Regards

    Tony
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    in reply to: Berlin Wreck – what is it? #2121055
    IndianaTony
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    RE: Berlin Wreck – what is it?

    Some answers I hope…..

    “Wouldn’t be a Wellington because the canvas would have rotted away leaving no skin at all.As for the idea of a Condor,I thought that the one recovered recently was for a Norweigen museum,so perhaps it isn’t a Condor either.
    On a slightly diffferent note,what happened to the substantial remains of a Ju88 that were dragged up from a lake in eastern europe (I think Hungary)a year or two ago?(NOT the one dragged out of a Norwiegen fjord)”

    The Condor, is indeed at the Berlin Tech Museum, it was raised, and donated by the Norwegian Air Force Museum, to Berlin (I believe)

    There is a very active restoration programme scheduled for this aircraft, and I think it fair to say, it is the biggest complete aircraft restoration ever undertaken by a museum anywhere

    Without saying too much, it would be worth a trip to any airshows in the Berlin area next year, just to see how it is coming along.

    The JU88 was recovered from Lake Balaton in Hungary, and is also in Berlin, the subject of a stunning restoration, with once again, bits coming from Bodo, from their Staffel of 88’s.

    There are several aircraft planned for the new exhibition hall, which I believe was dedicated 2 weeks ago. Do you know that Berlin have substantial Lancaster Parts as well?

    Hope this helps….

    Tony 🙂

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