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  • in reply to: Buchon To Germany #762338
    Pionair
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    Yes you are correct it is C4K-61  G-AWHF, sold by Connie Edwards, Big Springs, TX and transported to the UK in 2010 as a damaged fuselage and a set of wings. Stored by its owner at Little Gransden, until sold to Germany in 2014. The ex English owner has been contacted and refuses to tell who he sold the project to,  sadly seven years on this airframe is the only remaining BOB film participent to remain in hiding.

    in reply to: 'Battle of Britain' Luftwaffe badges #880134
    Pionair
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    Fate Of G-AWHF.

    This seems as good a place to start…

    Taken from “Warbirds Worldwide” , Vol2, No3, circa Sept 88

    Flyable Hispano Ha-112-M1L

    serial / UK reg / film codes / location & status

    C4K-31 – G-AWHE – Red 8 – Confederate AF, Harlington as N109ME

    C4K-61 – G-AWHF – no markings – location/status unknown

    C4K-75 – G-AWHG – Yellow 11 – sold to US 25/10/74, location/status unknown

    C4K-99 – G-AWHM – Yellow 5 – Wilson Edwards, TX as N90604

    C4K-100 – G-AWHJ – Red 13 – Kalamazoo Air Zoo, MIC as N76GE

    C4K-102 – G-AWHK – Red 7 – Harold Kindsvater, TX as N9938

    C4K-105 – G-AWHH – Red 4 – Wilson Edwards, TX as N6036

    C4K-106 – G-AWHI – Yellow 8 – Wilson Edwards, TX as N90607

    C4K-112 two seater – G-AWHC – Red 11 – Wilson Edwards, TX as N1109G

    C4K-122 – G-AWHL – Yellow 7 & MI+T as Hurricane – Champlin Fighter Museum, as N109J

    C4K-126 – G-AWHD – Red 9 – Wilson Edwards, TX as N90603

    C4K-127 – G-AWHO – MI-S as Hurricane – EAA Msueum, Oshkosh as N109BF

    C4K-130 – G-AWHN – Black Chevron marks – Wilson Edwards, TX as N90602

    C4K-144 – G-AWHP – Red 3 – CAF, Harlington, destroyed in fatal crash 19/12/87, was N8575

    C4K-152 – G-AWHR – White 5 – Wilson Edwards, TX as N4109G

    C4K-169 – G-AWHT – Red 5 – CAF, Lancaster Airport TX, as N9939

    C4K-170 – G-AWHS – Yellow Chevron marks – Auto & Tecknic Museum, Germany

    Taxying Buchons

    serial / film codes / location & status

    C4K-107 – unknown – now G-BOML

    C4K-121 – unknown – Don Knapp, Fort Lauderdale, USA

    C4K-131 – unknown – location unknown

    C4K-134 – unknown – West German Air Force, JG71, Wittmundhafen

    C4K-135 – unknown – converted with DB to Bf109G as D-FMBB

    C4K-172 – unknown – Charles Church, UK as G-HUNN

    Static Buchons
    all four static Buchons came to the UK during filming and were used for spares and cockpit shots etc.

    serial / notes / location & status

    C4K-30 – Henlow for spares – location unknown

    C4K-111 – Pinewood Studio for cockpit shots – location unknown

    C4K-114 – Henlow for spares – national Aviation Museum, Ottawa, Canada

    C4K-154 – Henlow for spares – location unknown

    CASA 2111’s used as Heinkels in the UK

    serial / UK reg / film codes / location & status

    B2-137 – G-AWHB – 6J+PR, U6+DL, VI+BN & A5+ER – Kermit Weeks

    B2-166 – G-AWHA – 6J+BR, 6J+PR, VI+CL & A5+BN – Deutsches Museum, Germany

    This information came direct from Connie Edwards. G-AWHF was sold and shipped back to the UK as a damaged stripped fuselage, together with a set of wings, around 2009-2010.

    Any current British owner wish to make themselves known ??????????????

    in reply to: Help needed with Piper L4 history #987573
    Pionair
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    Wieesso,
    Now you have made it all the more difficult by throwing the THIRD c/n into the ring! :D:D

    However, I think we can discount G-AISX. It is difficult to read accurately, but this
    http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/HistoricalMaterial/G-AISX.pdf
    seems to indicate it as “withdrawn from use following sale to ……….. (unreadable) on the 28.01.51. Only to reappear in 1983. I find it hard to believe that the ID of this aircraft was used in the rebuild of BCYS, and then REUSED to build what was to become TF-GEV, but stranger things have happened, I know:rolleyes: At the end of the day it comes down to not trusting everything written on the internet (only SOME of it).

    Regarding the crash at Tungubakkar in 1988 I can say, with certainty, that it was not the registration TF-CUP that was involved, but TF-GEV. Same serial (whatever it is) but different reg. After TF-GEV crashed, it was rebuilt by a good friend of mine and I KNOW that no other “identity” was used in it´s rebuild, only a bit of new tubeing and wing spars etc. So, no chance of an identity mix up there.

    What is somewhat irritating is the serial 43-30546(N). What does it mean? I´ve never seen it before.

    Now, all I need to know is if serial 44-86094 has the c/n 12990, and then I can maybe make some sense of this mess!

    Could the serial number have been mis-typed or written by the various registering authorities ?

    44-86094 when changed to 44-80694 is proper to c/n 12990.

    It’s easy to reverse numbers round when copying information.

    G-AISX was withdrawn from use following sale to Wolverhampton Aviation.

    Hopefully this may make some sense of this mess.

    Sorry to further complicate matters, but I also note that G-AISX and G-BCYS have both been owned by the same family at some time in their histories.

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