The P-40 definitely looks the best.
Why a Ranger ?
Are there any better V-type engines for these size aircraft which would look more scale in the cowling area ?
I know the P-40 guy has it sorted though.
TNZ
I thought the “Zeros” were upspec’d in the engine dept to around 650hp and a 3-bladed prop?
I guess this still would be no match for a P-40 (or F-14…cough cough)
IIRC the early F-14s (A’s) had a tendency to flat spin, esp if they lost an engine.
TNZ
wow !! looks great.
From the pics it looks full-size or near to.
TNZ
But did you notice the F-14 nearly going into a spin trying to keep up with the ‘Zeros’??
IMHO they were doing the slow turning dogfight for camera benefit.
If it was “real-life” then surely the F-14 would engage the two “targets” from 100km away and sidewinder them into oblivion !!??
TNZ
Yes… Thats real life, isn’t it…:rolleyes: – Nermal
Yes of course, the movie sucked big time and I did have an element of sarcasm in that statement… :rolleyes:
TNZ
Well, the two Zero’s got “waxed” by the F-14 Tomcats in the movie “The Final Countdown”… ๐ ๐ฎ
TNZ
My fav Spit is the Pr. XIX and these pics just prove it !!
Thanks !!!
TNZ
Beautiful pic.
I notice the tailwheel is still down. Was the retraction system disabled ?
TNZ.
As far as I remember, when I was a boy of about 3-4, I used to sit on the letter box and watch then Strikemasters and Harvards of nearby RNZAF Wigram flying over the house, but to be honest I actually think I was born loving aviation !!!
TNZ.
Brilliant stuff !!!
Now, to see it fly with the La-9, now there’s a dream formation…
TNZ.
Hi Phil,
Here’s an answer to your yellow Hellcat question..
Although no Hellcats were produced after the war, the big fighter continued to serve in reserve squadrons. Hence, when the Korean War broke out, many of the F6F’s were still serviceable. Though not used in a fighting role, Hellcats did participate in the Korean War as radio-guided flying bombs. Six F6F-SK’s, assigned to Guided Missile Unit 90, were loaded with high-explosives and directed against North Korean ground targets. The first of these sorties was launched from the USS Boxer on August 28, 1952.
An F6F-5K was launched from the carrier and guided by radio toward Hungnam, where the target was a railroad bridge. Controlling radio signals were sent from Skyraiders of VC-35. Other Hellcats were used as targets themselves to help develop the next generation of airborne weapons-the air-to-air missiles. These planes were identified by their brilliant red or yellow paint schemes.
(source http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/aircraft/)
There you go ๐
Cheers
Chris
TNZ.
This is great,
thanks for all of the answers, guys !! ๐
TNZ
Thanks Phil, I thought so.
There are a heap of people in this forum who know a lot of either engine, so I’m hoping some good info comes out.
+:)+
Chris
Just in case anyone wanted to know what a TU-16 looks like.. ๐
Right here goes for all of the variants…
(taken from http://www.fas.org/)
Deployment of the first TU-16 bombers started in 1954. They replaced the TU-4, operating in theaters close to Soviet territory.
Badger-A – Tu-16 — The initial production version was lighter than the first prototype, and largely met the original performance requirement.
Badger-A – Tu-16A — Primarily employed as a medium bomber, the TU-16A carried nuclear bombs – the A suffix stood for Atomic. It had a re-configurable thermostatically controlled heated bomb bay compatible with nuclear weapons, and a special skin for protection against nuclear thermal effects. Externally similar to the basic Tu-16, it featured more powerful RD-3M-200 engines, and an improved self-defense gun fire control system. This was the primary production version, with over 700 built, many of which were subsequently converted to other versions.
Badger-A – Tu-16E — To increase range, the TU-16 subsequently received an air refueling system. Some TU-16 were converted into tanker aircraft, which were first tested in 1955 and received the designation TU-16E [some Western sources suggest the designation was Tu-16Z]. However, they could still be used as bombers. This initial inflight refuelling tanker version used a novel “wingtip-to-wingtip” method, with a hose trailed from the right wingtip and snagged by grapnel trailed by receiver, then winched into fitting in receiver’s port wingtip. It also had provision for additional transfer fuel in removeable tanks in bomb bay.
Badger-A – Tu-16M — The Tu-16M AV-MF maritime strike version was similar to the Tu-16A with a few minor differences.
Badger-A – Tu-16N — A secondary mission for Badger A is as a tanker. From 1963 on the TU-16 was converted into TU-16N tanker aircraft. This tanker version featured a ‘Probe and drogue’ system with a Yakovlev-built centerline fueling unit in the bomb bay and ARK-5 beacon. It was mainly used to support probe-equipped Tu-22 and Tu-22M Blinder bomber regiments.
Badger-A – Tu-16T — In the middle of the 1950s series production of the TU-16T started. It was equipped with an air-to-surface missile for anti-shipping purposes, with provision for mines, depth charges or for four RAT-52 or TAN-53 torpedos. This torpedo bomber version was built in limited numbers, and after 1965 all TU-16T aircraft were converted into the TU-16S.
Badger-A – Tu-16S — The Tu-16S search and rescue model, a 1965 conversion of all the TU-16T aircraft, featured additional fuel and extra radios and carried a radio-controlled lifeboat in the bomb compartment.
Badger-A – Tu-16Ye — In the middle of the 1950s, the TU-16N and the TY-16Ye were created for electronic warfare. The Yolka ECM system featured a row of three steerable antennas under the bomb bay and a bulk chaff-cutter/dispenser. This aircraft is designated Badger-K when fitted with two radomes rather than three. A few Tu-16As were rebuilt as Elint/EW platforms, though most Tu-16Ye were produced by conversion of redundant Tu-16K-10 missile Badger-D carriers.
Badger-B – Tu-16KS — The Badger B is equipped with two Kennel air-to-surface missiles suspended beneath the wings. The TU-16KS began initial tests in August 1954. It carried two KS-1 Kometa air-to-surface missiles with a range of 90 km, and had an operational range of 1800 km. The Kobalt-N guidance transmitter was installed, though the glazed ‘bomber’ nose was retained. The aircraft subsequently served in the Soviet Naval Air Force [AV-MF].
Badger-C – Tu-16K-10 — In 1955 work began on using the Tu-16 as the carrier for the K-10S (AS-2 Kipper) cruise missile for the Soviet Naval Air Force for use in an anti-shipping role. The missile’s guidance system was added as an onboard system, with the missile mounted semi-submerged under the fuselage on the centerline in the bomb bay area. The glazed nose was replaced by broad flat radome housing antenna for the YeN targeting radar. A missile top-off fuel tank was housed in the bomb bay, along with a small pressure cabin for the YeN radar operator. The TU-16K-10 prototype was finished in 1958 and series production started in 1959. Deployment into the Soviet Naval Air Force began in October 1961. A total of about 220 were built, many of which were subsequently converted to Elint/EW platforms.
Badger-C (Mod) – Tu-16K-10-26 — Small numbers of Tu-16K-10s were later modified to carry KSR-2, KSR-5S and later K-26 missiles underwing.
Badger-D – Tu-16Ye — Badger D is a modified Badger C reequipped to perform an ELINT reconnaissance mission. This EW conversion of Tu-16K-10 and K-10-26 is generally similar to Tu-16A and Tu-16KS-based EW conversions (Tu-16Ye ‘Badger-A’ and ‘Badger-B’), though retaining the distinctive broad flat nose radome.
Badger-E – Tu-16R — The TU-16R reconnaissance aircraft represented another modification of the TU-16 Badger which was tested from 1955 on. The Badger E is a modified Badger A reequipped to perform photographic reconnaissance, with a camera pack in former bomb bay and the pilot’s forward firing gun usually removed.
Badger-E – Tu-16RM — The Tu-16RM is a similar maritime reconnaissance version for the Soviet Naval Air Force [AV-MF].
Badger-E – Tu-16KRM — Small numbers of Tu-16RMs were modified with underwing launch rails for rocket-powered target drones.
Badger-F – Tu-16RM-2 — Badger F is a photographic reconnaissance variant of the Badger E Tu-16Rs and RMs with the addition of ELINT pods beneath the wings or fuselage.
Badger-G – Tu-16K-11-16 — The Badger G has the concurrent capability of carrying two Kelt AS-5 (125 nm) or two AS-6 (300 nm) air-to-surface missiles suspended beneath the wings and dropping bombs from an internal bomb bay. The new missile system K-11-16 with KSR-2 (AS-5B) and KSR-11 (AS-5B) missiles and the “Rubin-1” radar system was developed in 1962 based on a modification of equipment of the MIG-15. The Badger G/Kelt weapon system was developed as a stand-off weapon for the LRA and for an anti-shipping role for the SNAF. It probably has an anti-radiation role also. The AS-6 would have similar roles. It is equipped for aerial refueling. A number of Tu-16As and Tu-16KSs were re-fitted with Rubin radar undernose and with provision for K-11 or K-16 missiles. The TU-16K-11-16 aircraft that were converted from TU-16, TU-16A and TU-16KS aircraft could carry either two KSR-2 or KSR-11 missile beneath the wings. They served in the Soviet Naval Air Force.
Badger-G (Mod) Tu-16K-26 — Development of the K-26 missile system started in 1962, using the KSR-5 (AS-6) air-to-surface anti-ship missiles. They were deployed on TU-16K-26 aircraft that entered service in the second half of the 1960s. The Tu-16K-26 aircraft was modified to launch K-26 missiles, with launch attitude indicator on the nose glazing. The characteristics of the K-11-16 and K-26 weapon systems allowed the aircraft to retain their original bomber capabilities.
Badger-G (Mod) Tu-16K-10-26 — During development of the TU-16K-26, the K-10 weapon system was upgraded and replaced by the K-10S system that had two KRS-5 or KSR-2 missiles. The retrofitted aircraft received the designation TU-16K-10-26. After the K-10S system missiles were phased out, these aircraft carried only KSR-5 missiles.
Badger-H – Tu-16PP or Tu-16P Elka — The Badger H is believed to be an ECM support aircraft with a primary mission of sowing chaff corridors to protect follow-on weapons-carrying aircraft. It also has a limited capability to provide active ECM against search and acquisition radars. This stand-off jammer version was produced by conversion of Tu-16A or Tu-16KS, with underfuselage radomes at each end of the bomb bay, and with a new bulk chaff-cutter/dispenser serving three chutes in the former bomb bay doors.
Badger-J – Tu-16P Buket — The Badger J active jamming platform is estimated to carry a multichannel click jammer to perform both stand-off and escort-active ECM. It features a ventral canoe fairing and flat plate antennas forming wingtip extensions.
Badger-K – Tu-16Ye — Badger K probably supplements Badger F and is probably an automatic system designed for precision ELINT collection in a dense signal environment. This EW conversion of Tu-16KS is generally similar to Tu-16Ye Badger-B, though with two rather than three underfuselage radomes mounted on the area of the former bomb bay [rather than at each end as on Badger-F].
Badger-L – Tu-16P and Tu-16PP — The Badger-L is an advanced ELINT platform with a self-protection active jammer and an associated thimble nose radome, along with a distinctive extended ECM tailcone.
The TU-16 remained in Soviet and later Russian service until 1993. They were used during the war in Afghanistan. The Badger is used by Egypt, Iraq, the Peopleโs Republic of China (H-6), and Ukraine. In 1958, delivery of TU-16 bombers to China began, where series production received the designation H-6. In the summer of 1961, twenty TU-16KS were sold to Indonesia. In the 1960s, TU-16 bombers were delivered to Egypt which also received TU-16KS aircraft in 1967 and Tu-16K-11-16 in 1973. Iraq also received TU-16K-11-16 bombers in the 1960s.
Hope this helps
TNZ