The museum was completely closed until the weekend after 1st April, ie 3 April. However, it doesn’t surprise me that it was quiet – with Concorde not having arrived, few people would want to go until they could see it. Plus, I think things would probably be a bit disorganised, as arrangements were finalised for Concorde’s arrival.
I hope that there will be enough to occupy us at East Fortune on Saturday. However, I suggested Drem and/or Macmerry as a fall back in case we are very restricted in what we can see.
I’ve asked one of the Aviation Preservation Society of Scotland members to come and he is certainly going to open one of the huts for us, which has seom radio and radar equipment on display. I appreciate this is not most people’s cut of tea, and I presume we won’t be spending long in there. However, it is interesting and includes the TSR2 radar, which is an interesting piece in itself.
Originally posted by ageorge
Most definately , are you coming along ?? , should be a good day looking at all the oxy-acetylene burning marks all over the large Airfix Concorde .
Alastair,
I’m afraid that the one thing we are guaranteed NOt to see is the Concorde. It is strictly out of bounds and there is no chance whatsoever of any kind of viewing, even a sneek peek round a doorway. We will not see Concorde at all on Saturday.
If I can correct you on another point, the museum has been open to the public from 1 April and will certainly be open to anyone on Saturday. Since this will be the first weekend since Concorde’s arrival (and many people will expect, like you, to be able to see it) I think the museum will actually be very busy indeed.
I don’t know what the rest of you think, but I’m rather flexible as far as finishing is concerned. I don’t know how much of the museum we’ll be able to get access to and what we’ll be able to see, so it might be all day or it might be somewhat less! If it turns out to be the latter, I’m willing to lead a tour round some of the more interesting aviation-related sites in East Lothian, such as Drem, Macmerry (or at least what little is left of it) and places like Tantallon where trials were carried out for some of the jamming operations used on D-Day.
What I’m basically saying is that I’m happy to make a day of it, even if the Museum of Flight turns out to be a bit of a wash-out. Of course, the weather may make a wash-out of the whole thing! If anyone has a particular timescale to work by, then I’m sure we can organise things accordingly.
Daz,
Can you PM me, or e-mail me, with your home address?
Daz,
I’ll be heading to East Fortune from Peebles, so I could pick you up if you’re stuck. I’ve not yet been able to get the necessary induction training, so have suggested that I could do it before 10am on Saturday, but I’ve not heard back if that is feasible. If it is, it might mean leaving a bit earlier. If this isn’t a problem, I’m happy to give you a lift.
Mark,
I do have both Most Secret War and Laurie Brettingham’s book, Beam Benders. R V Jones’ book is interesting although it deals with scientific intelligence and thus is more about German developments than British ones. I have other publications which provide more detail on German radar work, but Jones’ book is a good read.
Laurie Brettingham’s 80 Wing book, Beam Benders, is excellent and he’s also written a book about 100 Group, Even When the Sparrows are Walking, which is also very good.
I knew about the advert to get people to claim their logbooks, and that the PRO does hold some examples. I just didn’t realise they had F/O Ashfield’s which, as you say, is a very interesting example.
Papa Lima,
Thanks for your offer but I do indeed have a copy of Three Steps to Victory, which is in fact an ex-library copy bought for £1.50. I’ve seen it available on the web for close on £100! The book is not an easy read, written as it is in a style very like Watson-Watt’s way of speaking – he would never use one word when a dozen would do!
As regards the magazines, I only have the first two issues, so I can’t help with the Bader article.
I did look into joining the Society, but its main aim seems to be to generate funds to create memorials etc, and thus the annual fee is pretty steep. It’s difficult to fund my own research, so I couldn’t justify such fees myself, but don’t let me put you off if you’re thinking of joining.
It’s amazing what you can find just by trying a search on Google!
The BoB Historical Society website: http://www.battleofbritain.net/
Mark,
Thanks very much for those extremely interesting posts. I’ve never looked at FIU material in the PRO and certainly wasn’t aware that they had F/O Ashfield’s logbook, so thanks very much for letting me know about it!
Mark,
May I ask whose log book the extract comes from? Just curiosity really. If you’d rather not post a name, would it be possible to PM me the details?
Neilly,
Would I be right in thinking that Malta-based NF squadrons such as No 23 were forbidden from flying over enemy territory with AI-equipped aircraft? This was certainly the case with UK-based squadrons, and I assume those in Malta would have faced similar restrictions.
Mark,
Sorry to be an absolutely pedantic b*****d, but Poling wasn’t able to put the Blenheim within AI range. The pick-up range of AI Mk III was much less than the range at which CH could differentiate between two targets. Strickly speaking, Poling put Ashfield and Morris in the general area of the Dornier and they were fortunate enough to close-in and pick it up on AI. The use of Poling for direct ground control was an experiment which proved the general concept but demonstrated that a more accurate ground radar was required. This led to the introduction of GCI (Ground Control of Interception) with the fighter being directed from a PPI tube showing a plan of the relative positions of the fighter and target, allowing the controller to vector the fighter direct from the radar screen.
I’m sure you knew all this anyway, but as I said I’m the world’s worst pedant!
Just as an aside – the Blenheim was the first aircraft to carry out an interception using airborne radar, on the night of 22/23 July 1940 when a Blenheim Mk I from the Fighter Interception Unit shot down a Dorner Do17.
Just to be absolutely pedantic, Observer, the AI could never tell freidn from foe but could only detect an oject. It was the function of the IFF equipment to tell friend from foe. However, fighters could not trigger the IFF transponder in targets, so had no way of telling if it was friendly or not. The only way to do this was from information provided from ground radar, which was not always accurate in identifications (since not all friendly aircraft were fitted with IFF) and by visual examination. Night fighters had to close to visual range not only to be able to attack the target but also to be able to visually identify it as friend or foe.
Incidentally, a very interesting Pilot’s Log extract!
No, but if you want to cut the wings off and stick it on a barge, I know someone who can organise it for you.;)
Just had a thought for something to add a little interest to the day, just in case there isn’t too much to see at the museum itself. How about we each bring along an interesting or mystery object or photo? It could be a bit of fun and might get the old grey matter going. I’ve got an idea for something to bring, so I’ll have it with me. If no-one else has anything, fair enough, but if anyone else manages to come up with something, all the better!