Only a crazy person would bet against P8 surely?

Wibble

Surely it’s all about the offsets?

Wibble

Large Russian aircraft carrier design unveiled
CVF clone?

It’s a bit of a stretch to use that label isn’t it?!

That is no more a QE clone for deciding to use twin islands

Than Kuznetsov was an Invincible clone for using a ski jump

Or Nimitz an Ark Royal (or Triumph!) clone for using an angled deck

Sometimes the differences (like huge disparity in displacement or the actual role) are more important than a single similarity

They are DSI made with composites made of aluminium and an infinite number of Mig35’s… And the PLAAF is in crisis!

I’ll get me hat…

One of these presumably?

http://www.gostak.co.uk/composites/

Well maybe if the US also co-develop Meteor and buy some Typhoons they might have a chance of trumping the P1:D

Gentlemen

We want your MPA, we also want an offset of 100%

Jointly develop Meteor ARM you say and buy flipping 100s of them Mr ally in two world wars?
Buy Typhoons and Meteors (in lower numbers) and re engine P1 with RR engines Mr fellow islanders?

What’s that stalwart ally in Cold War, you’ll finally get around to re-enginning your totemic B52s with RR motors?
Joint development on AEW version of AW609 trusted investor in Swindon and Sunderland car plants?

It’s all potentially very exciting isn’t it?
Which means that someone in HMG will Fnck it up by writing a stupid bid or making insulting jokes about burgers or raw fish

I personally think that the T/W, wing loading or thrust figures say roughly as much about flying qualities of an aircraft as bhp, torque and weight fiugures say about sports cars. They are useful indicators but don’t provide the overall information… the true know-how is in the details, fine balancing, aerodynamics and emotional value… on the paper, the Camaro ZL1 appears every bit as good as F458 Speciale and greatly superior to Carrera GT3… nothing can be further from the truth..

Back in the day, Apple was facing bankruptcy. In part because of the public perception that clock speed = power of computer. The late Mr Jobs tried (and for the most part failed) to put across the idea that the max rpm of a car engine does not equal to the speed of the car it’s powering.

Using a single metric for warplane performance similarly doesn’t tell us the whole story.

Wing loading in particular can be misleading as very high and very low wing loading can be the result of deliberate design decisions.

Anyway, good luck to convince me that a Lancaster should be in the “modern military aviation” part of the forum 😀

Or just admire the pretty picture on a hobby site?

That is odd. Also, what are the stores to the right of the Shrike missiles?

The body, in comparison to the Shrikes, looks right for Martel. But without fins and with rocket boosters?! Maybe just a funny mockup from some junior techs with time on their hands?