A few weeks earlier at the Abingdon Battle of Britain display, four Beverleys made a ponderous flypast to marks the type’s impending departure from service, If Anon thinks that eight Centauruses (or Centauri?) must have sounded something special, I can assure him that 16 Centaurus engines in loose formation was a sound never to be forgotten.
Thanks for the feedback. From looking at pictures out in cyberspace, I’d agree that the airframe is XS885. Next time I’m up that way, in the next few days, I’ll be armed with a proper camera and my nicest ‘please can I photograph your helicopter’ smile 🙂
Watch this space.
47/48. Should have got the full 48, but I was too quick and clicked before thinking on one of them. I reckon if there hadn’t been the multiple choices I’d have got about 37 of them.
I’ve looked at the picture, and every BE2 picture I can lay my hands on both in print and on line, and everything checks out with an early BE2 to me.
It’s a Zerbe Sextuplane. Scroll down here for another picture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1910_Los_Angeles_International_Air_Meet_at_Dominguez_Field
Grizzly, I’ve only just spotted that you got there first!
Oops….memo to self: must read my own advice about checking carefully before hitting the ‘post’ button. Of course it’s Gipsy in the de Havilland world.
I’ve got a foot in more than one camp here, having been a rocket scientist and missile engineer, then a newspaper sub-editor (and more recently working in mental health, but that’s another story…)
Perhaps the disciplines learned by studying sciences at university stood me in good stead in one of my later incarnations, with an eye for detail and a desire to get things right – preferably at the first attempt.
My guiding thought when writing – or editing other people’s writing – has been to put clarity of expression first, followed by elegance and style. Incorrect spelling does not always detract from either of these aspirations, but nevertheless is something I would expect of others, and something I would correct in other people’s work almost without thinking.
Bear in mind, though, that there is no national academy of English to dictate whether a word is correct or not. Language is a fluent thing and evolves from day to day. Airplane, maneuver, tire, etc betray a writer as probably American, but they’re perfectly legitimate spellings.
Publications across the world have their own in-house guidelines as to preferred spellings, punctuation, etc, and you can guarantee that there will always be some awkward character determined to swim against the tide. It’s a matter of style whether you write gipsy or gypsy, for example – de Havilland used gypsy, for example, but modern usage probably tends towards gipsy, but neither is wrong.
Ever since the 1930s, the hard and fast rule at the Daily Express in London has been to use the American airplane rather than aeroplane, by the way. I’d guess that this was a consequence of the rule from the top of the Canadian-born Max Aitken, later Lord Beaverbrook, whose word was law in the Express of yore.
As far as contributions go to forums like this – or fora, if you refer – I’m not going to lose too much sleep if people write about hangers or a camera lense. It’s wrong, it annoys me, and if I was editing for publication I’d change it and suggest the writer checks his/her work before hitting the ‘post’ button. But otherwise life’s too short, and the forum is about historic aviation rather than English grammar and orthography (smarty-pants word for spelling!)
A comment on the original Daily Post story identifies it as a Snipe F2425. The contributor RobG writes with some authority, although as a one-time staff writer on the Daily Post myself I also know how the air of authority can be misleading!
His remarks:
The aeroplane is a Sopwith Snipe and its RAF serial is actually F2425, the first digit is hard to read being in black outlined by white on the blue stripe on the rudder.
The Snipe replaced the famous Sopwith Camel from September 1918 and continued in service with the RAF until 1928.
At least two other aircraft crashed in Rhos in 1922. An Avro 504 G-EABX on 18/8/1922, and an RAF Bristol Fighter on 20/1/1922. Another Bristol crashed at Dyserth a week after the one at Rhos. None of these fit the aeroplane in the film.
I remember going as a foot passenger to Calais and back on an SRN-6 in the late 1960s. It was a bit like a pebble being skimmed across the water, from inside the pebble. But I’m glad I did it.
I sampled the SRN-4 a few years alter on the same route. A rather more smooth ride, but it was a noisy beast. Very sad to think of them both going to the scrap man, though.
Funny thing is, I was just about to start a thread pointing out the Wings on My Sleeve can be had for just £3 from branches of the discount books chain The Works. I picked mine up from the Birkenhead branch today.
Just done some Googling, and they do mail order. Worth every penny – but then I’m preaching to the converted on this forum!
Brilliant! Thanks for the help and knowledge…I’ve now had to explain to various people that no, I didn’t solve the mystery, but I did know where there were people who could :eagerness:
Thanks once again.
The teenage planespotter notes that I took at the time reveal that the first time I saw a Vulcan displayed was in September 1966 at the RAF Finningley BofB show. The last time was at the Southport Air Show last month. In both cases the aircraft was XH558 – very appropriate.
A Dubliner friend of mine reckons he saw a 109 over Dublin in the war, but he’s realistic enough to admit that after 70-odd years his memory may be playing tricks on him. He was about 10 at the time of the 1941 raids on that city.
Thanks for the clarifications
In an interview on the BBC midday news today, an ‘Expert’ from an aviation magazine was asked why the pilot did not use his ejector seat. The ‘Expert’ replied that because the seats contained explosive devices they were not allowed to be fitted to civilian owned aircraft.
Just in the interests of accurate information, Paragraph 5.8 of the CAA publication CAP632 (which relates to ex-military aircraft in civilian use) reads:
Where ejection seats are an integral part of the aircrew escape system, as
specified in the relevant Pilots Notes, Flight or Aircrew Manuals, it is
recommended that they be fully serviceable for all flights. Approval should
be sought from the CAA (Application and Approvals) at the earliest
opportunity if it is intended to operate with inert ejection seats (or other
escape systems). It is unlikely that the CAA will allow swept-wing aircraft
fitted with ejection seats to be flown unless the equipment is fully
operational.
Obviously the final sentence is the most relevant here. And apologies to anyone of this forum who feels I’m drawing attention to the obvious.
Having said all that, am I right in thinking that an attempted low-altitude ejection in this case would have been a futile exercise?
I presume the regulatory hurdles involved in retrofitting a 1950s aircraft with modern rocket-powered seats would have been just too high, although I’m open to correction.