Thank you, I have replied to your PM; my first use of this facility, I trust it gets through. Hilda and I were at RAF Colerne in Sept 1956, moving to RAF North Luffenham on 29th December 1956. Tell Norman that I recall his dining-out speech at RAF Ahlhorn when he spoke about “Claustrophobia of the …….s!” Don.
Have just found this thread. My father F/L Norman Spence was the nav/rad instructor in WA560 when it crashed. We have a couple of bits of the prop tips somewhere at home. He had previously been on NF 11s with 96 Sqd at Alhorn and went from Colerne to Leeming with 228 OCU
My pilot, Val Harder, and I were paired up with Norman and his pilot, Pete Driscoll, for mutual practice interceptions in Meteor NF 11s on 28th January 1953. As you will know, the weather turned nasty and aircraft were recalled. We got back into RAF Ahlhorn, our base, whilst Pete and Norman were diverted with other a/c to RAF Oldenburg. Due to a faulty compass and poor communications between ground radar control stations your father’s a/c ran out of fuel and crash landed in Holland with both men safe.
The four of us were amongst a good number of young, newly trained crews making up the re-formed 96 Squadron together with older crews as Squadron and Flight Commanders.
It was an interesting and enjoyable time. Our two crews and one or two more were dined out of the mess at the same dining-in night at the end of February 1955. I went on to RAF Colerne as a Nav/Rad instructor, Pete Driscoll also was at Colerne flying Brigands and target Balliols. I do not recall Norman being with us at that time. Did he join us later or perhaps he was on No. 1 Squadron with its Brigand T4s: I was on No 2 Squadron and T5s. Pete lived in Bath just round the corner from our flat. Are you able to give dates of Norman’s time at Colerne? I recall your mother’s name, but will not quote it here, other than to say her Christian name started with “O”.
I hope to hear from you. Don Busby.
Dear smirky, Just to let you know that I have now got pilots’ notes for Brigand, Buckmaster and Buckingham from a New Zealand source. This might save you time in trying to help me: I hope I have not already burdened you with my request for data. Anything you can add will always be welcome. A Happy New Year. Don Busby.
Dear smirky, Thank you, I look forward to your further help. Merry Christmas. Don.
Dear Smirky, Thanks for the info and pic of “Engine Controls and Instruments”. May I ask a further favour please. Any chance of scanning the pic and attaching to an email?
Taking it from this posting gives a fuzzy image. I am on email: [ [email]donbuzz@hotmail.co.uk[/email] ]. I have found a photo of the controls and am trying to get a copy direct from the copyright holder. This will help me to compare with your pic. I shall post details of my comparisons in due course and, of course respond to any questions you might have. I take it that you are a pilot. The T4 and T5 designations indicate Brigands with A.I. Mark 10 and Mark 21, respectively: I suggest pilot controls are the same in all Brigands.
I am, of course, looking for differences between Brigand and Buckmaster if anyone can help further.
Yours, Don Busby.
Brigand RH831 crash on 8th March 1956. As a navigator at RAF Colerne on the day of the crash, I am looking into events leading up to Sergeant Hanson wrongly switching off his engine fuel supplies instead of returning his supercharger controls to normal after exercising same, as was usual on joining the circuit to land.
Has anyone drawings, pictures or specifications of the cockpit control levers for the Superchargers and Fuel Isolation Cocks on both Brigand T5 and Buckmaster T1(?) dual control training aircraft please? Alternatively, suggestions for possible sources of these would be welcomed.
Don Busby
Perhaps I am late in the day answering, “What is that hanging beneath the Brigand?”. It is the entrance behind the main spar: all crew members entered and left the aircraft this way. Elsewhere, there is reference to a Brigand crash at RAF Colerne on 8th March 1956: I can provide further info about crew and cause of crash.
donbuzz. 25/02/2015
Brigand RH 831crashed short of the runway on 8th March 1956. The pilot had exercised engine superchargers whilst returning to base as was usual practice. Investigation of crashed aircraft found that the fuel isolation controls had been switched off instead of the supercharge controls. These two sets were close to each other, to the left of, and behind the pilot. On approach to landing, cause of sudden loss of engines would not have been immediately obvious to the pilot. The a/c crashed short of the runway. Pilot and nav/rad instructor were both killed: two student naval officers, sitting behind the main spar, facing aft, were able to walk safely away. donbuzz. 26/02/2015
Perhaps I am late in the day answering, “What is that hanging beneath the Brigand?”. It is the entrance behind the main spar: all crew members entered and left the aircraft this way. Elsewhere, there is reference to a Brigand crash at RAF Colerne on 8th March 1956: I can provide further info about crew and cause of crash.
donbuzz. 25/02/2015