In Brazil they didn’t have enough buck to get the bang.
Nic
apparently the former president assessed brazils economy as sufficient to buy rafale,
he even went as far as proclaiming rafale had won and would be bought.for some reason, probably a lingering bribe investigation, he decided to back off and defer the decision to next government, whom decided to hand over the decision to the industry, whom favored gripen
Brazil is sitting on 300+ billion in forex reserves.
Thread title says fighter. If you’re talking purely air-air, Typhoon. /thread.
If you mean multirole, either Rafale or SU30 at the moment, though Typhoon will be on par with both in the not too distant future. (with each obviously having their respective strengths) If you mean interceptor, then again, Typhoon.
Why are you so confident that the Typhoon could beat the su 35 ai to air ?
the video didnt support KGB, on contrary he said that while the teen fighters had a small window of opportunity
to nail an F-22, if the F-22 pilot was rookie, but the same pilots had an easy time doing an Su-30 in.a few interesting quotes from that officer: F-22 can maintain 28 degree at 20k ft,
while F-15 can maintain 15 degree. the jammer coupled with mig-21 inherent low RCS made amraam useless
and the teens had to resort to guns, but su-30 was so large RCS so jamming couldnt mask it.in previous exercises the indians had sent their best pilots and did very well against US fighters,
but when they sent their average pilots they didnt stand a chance.the russian engines required so much maintenance so the indians didnt actually qualify to participate in red flag,
but it was overcome by sending up su-30 first so they wouldnt keep the runway busy for others,
which was fine since su-30 has such a large tank so it works out
Here Obligitory repeats his false and tiring talking points about Russian engines.
Western observers had a keen eye on the operation in Syria to see just that. To see if Russia would have engine problems. None of the sort. Jets are getting put though the ringer with no engine problems at all.
I really don’t see how that video supports your point. At around 6:20 he literally said their F-15 unit dominate Su-30 in close combat. Language barriers?. Moreover, India doesn’t have Typhoon, Gripen, F-15, F-16 or F-18 either, probably didn’t even have rafale at that time
Let me make sure its the right video but he does say that the su 30 was dancing with the Raptor.
Then he just says”our better pilots” fought “them again. Then we kicked their a$$ brah”
So the Raptor is a lesser trained pilot away from being in trouble against a su 30 and this is somehow a vindication for the Raptor ? I think it speaks volumes for the abilities of the su 30 and 35.
Everyone just blurts out “make more Raptors”.
The Raptor was discontinued for a reason. It was a flawed procurement process. It was too expensive to build. The program had to end for that reason. They always say that it was because there were no Soviets anymore. But that’s not the main reason. The jet was fundamentally too expensive to build.
I think it would have made more sense, instead of building the F-22, the super hornet and the JSF, to build 2 variants of a single engine plane based on the lessons from the YF-22. They would have started working on a higher BP ratio F119 derivative from 1991.
The USAF would have way more stealth planes now, maybe 500+ in service, and the USN maybe 400 or so.
I think an updated harrier would have been enough, the USMC could have bought a mix of upgraded harrier and the naval stealth plane. The UK would have put catapults on the QE to operate the naval stealth plane.
Even a new jet which was based on the carrier design would have been good.
— No STOVL variant.
— F119 powerplant.
— Contracts designed to serve the taxpayer and the armed services, not LM shareholders.
— None of this “concurrency” rubbish.
— “Revolutionary software architecture” and associated fripperies like magic helmet deprecated to deliver operationally useful aircraft by 2010.
— Second-generation F-35 incorporating aforementioned fripperies targeted for 2020-2025.Bonus: F-22 remains in production because of savings generated through engine commonality.
f 22 was a “spread the wealth” disaster show too.
Hindsight is a female puppy.
Knowing what we know now, how would you ave run the JSF program differently?
Continue exactly as what happened today?
Minor changes?
change everything?
. Would have at least made 2 different jets for the designation. Maybe 3. Give one designation to Boeing. The UK commissioned 3 brands of bombers FFS. So its not like it would be unprecedented.
This alone would have made each jet better for its respective service.
Nah….. they didn’t
the USAF has also tried to cancel the A-10 for decades. they’re idiots
or maybe they knew Congress would never allow that, so they didn’t fund the aircraft knowing that Congress would give them more money for it
nice bureaucratic move: Congress gets to look good for saving the A-10, and if they call the AF’s bluff they get to ditch the A-10, it’s a win-win for them
That is a backwards comparison.
It would be like the US putting the F 35 into service and then putting the A10 back into service in place of the F 35 again.
Arguing about who is the tallest midget. :stupid:
A priest from the religion of stealth chimes in..
F-35 and F-22 are 5. gen and thus not part of this discussion (see first post that specified 4.5 gen… :))
While we are on that subject, when India was flying their various 4th and 4.5 gen fighters with the Raptor, the USAF said that the only thing that could play with the Raptor in dogfighting was the su 30’s.
best air superiority: want to say Typhoon but probably F-15
best a2g: F-15
best multirole: F-15
best for peacetime: Gripen
best value for money: Su-35
best for most air forces: Gripen
best naval: Rafale
best looking: Rafale, su-35 tie
best air superiority: want to say Typhoon but probably F-15
No TVC
Lesser turning radius
Cant cobra
They should make a black TU 160. Anyone good with photoshop, can you make a black one ?
F/A-18E/F, of course. The most mass produced, combat proven and equipped with AESA radar and whole bunch of the latest weapons and targeting/recce systems.
No super cruise.
No TVC
su 35.