Actually Tu-4 was exact copy of B-29, bolt by bolt. Stalin job to Tupoljev. Even admitted by Soviets.
This is true. The only truly shameless copy, bolt for bolt, is Tupolev TU4
Nothing wrong with copy no.
They were after all nemesis. USSR and US. So they spied on each other. I would say Tu-160 also is a copy of B1.
Many aviation enthusiasts are quick to point out the similarities between the Russian Tu-160 Blackjack and the American B-1 Lancer. The assumption seems to be that the Tupolev design is a crude imitation of the Rockwell design.
Where that theory runs into a brick wall is when you take into account the design heritage of the Tupolev design, which clearly shows precursory hints at the ultimate design years before the B-1 program was even launched.
Jack Ma does not know economics. it benefit his firm but it does not mean US. DT will need crash course in economics from Putin otherwise
US already has world most expensive police force/teachers/healthcare/prison industry. reducing spending on weopons and wars will not make products competitve or decrease the need of foreign labor but create far more inflation.
on Other hand Russia can increase both domestic spending and on foreign wars and it will greatly benefit it.
DT should make Russia’s central bank chief an hostile offer to run the Fed. The Banker is a British banking magazine. It awarded Russia’s central bank head as central banker of the year in 2017. Somehow I doubt that the Russian economy is in as dire straights as the western media says when Russia’s central bank head is winning awards.

The F-14 is one sleazy looking aircraft. Sleazy in a good way. That low slung wing. Overall excess in size and angles. The Lisa Ann of fighter jets.

Ofcourse its a mixed bag. There will allways be similarity when we have many fighter that have two engines, two Verticals attached to an airframe. But sadly some People are incapable of understanding this, and even history timeline. And with a good mixed portion of natiolism nd ignorance, they scream; its a Russian copy!!1!1!
Yes. But its fun.
But don’t you think our friend here is reaching a bit with this Tomcat/su 27 comparo ?
I believe that the arrangement of the Su-27 close to the F-14, not F-15
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The Tomcat is a very unique aircraft. I just don’t know how you can compare a variable swept wing 3rd gen aircraft with a blended wing 4th gen aircraft.
The F-15 is a closer arrangement to a Mig 25 than the su 27 is to the Tomcat

I believe that the arrangement of the Su-27 close to the F-14,
Because i like playing this comparo game, I’ll concede that the intakes kinda look similar.. I guess.
But its a mixed bag.

Damn. That’s what you call footage. The detail is so good that you can see all the inputs on the control surfaces
Are you implying that they look similar or something? Because they dont.
The F 14 is in the same era as the veriable swept wing Flogger.
No comparison to the flankers or fulcrums. They were an answer to F 16,15
USSR shaped those intakes before the F14. So that’s a myth too
PAKFA is a lot more complex programme. almost at 6th Generation level. built with advanced composites and titanium.
indirect way they saying that 400km is the range of AAM and only radar that can exceed that specification against stealth targets have greater range.
flexibility to hit ground targets at great distance.
Yep. The Pak Fa’s low profile tail section is a middle step to the 6th gen concepts that we see which have no vertical stabilizers at all. So aerodynamically, its a 5.5 gen fighter.
Considering the T-50 project isn’t even up to the complexity level of the F-22A program, small wonder its negligible difference in development time. But extrapolate out when the technology will be on par with the jet two decades older and you’re talking quite a bit extended amount of time. Meanwhile, they are surrounded by much smaller countries sporting next generation fighters beyond F-22A that may or may not be able to nullify T-50 without aid from the F-22A. Russia isn’t anywhere near the economy it was and it’s going to have to stop blowing its treasury on a war that is pointless and funding an insurgency that actually penalizes itself.
Considering the T-50 project isn’t even up to the complexity level of the F-22A program
Not true. What gave you that idea ? Pak Fa is faster with more range.. Radar in the wing edges..They are doing the same things in the Pak Fa that the YF 23 had but were the very reason that the US picked the Raptor in the 1st place. YF 23 employed too much new technology.
Really?
Lets see who is jumping the gun,
PAK-FA demoed at the MAKS 2011. Full 8min demo. First flight was made on the January 29, 2010
Pak Fa and Raptor contract award and then commissioning time is running at a similar clip. About 14 years.
But I disagree with what you said about the demo. By Russia’s standards, those were glorified fly bys. Even 2015/16 wasn’t much. Compared to the demo’s given by su 35s and Mig 29’s.
The fully functional demo is still in the future. And you can bet that they will beat the wings off the aircraft like they do to the su 35 when that time comes.
The only shortage of funds for PAKFA are those siphoned into operations. Russia lost its cash cow by using speculative trading to so overprice gas it made it affordable to by elsewhere. And then it turned out, there were deposits affordable to exploit at these new high prices. Then nature brought the price back down.
If Russia was less aggressive in the Ukraine – Crimea Peninsula aside – there would have been further soothing of Cold War hostility. It’s not cheap feeding steady supplies to rebels in eastern Ukraine, nor is it to bear down on a pointless civil war in Syria. PAKFA funding sure slowed down after all that other stuff heated up.
With the shootdown of the Su-24M over Turkey you also see much more push for funding of active missiles and electronic warfare pods. Syria is turning out like the impetus Beirut operations were for the U.S. If it keeps dragging out its going to be painful. And operations will only get more expensive and PAKFA further slowed.
Here we go with the Russian economy again. You are wrong. Entirely wrong about the state of the Russian economy but I will just get accused of chest beating if I post the hard data and I am sick of going through it all the time.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-23/putin-buys-dip-russias-gold-buying-october-largest-millenium
The Russian central bank gold purchase is the biggest monthly gold purchase of this millennium.
Geopolitically you are also wrong. Russia has not been aggressive in Ukraine. Just the opposite actually. It was the US who got aggressive in Ukraine and fermented war.
Russia pushing Gazprom to provide discount gas to Ukraine …
uk.businessinsider.com/russia-pushing-gazprom-to-provide-discount-gas…
Mar 31, 2015 – The Russian government is requesting that its state-owned gas giant Gazprom
And the development of the Pak Fa… It took the US from 1991 to 2005 to get the F 22 in service. That’s 14 years.
1991, Secretary of the USAF Donald Rice announced the YF-22 as the winner of the ATF competition. The jet would enter service in December of 2005
How does the Pak Fa compare ?
in 2002, Sukhoi was selected as the winner of the PAK FA competition
Development of the Pak fa is in its 14th year now in 2016/17 And it is expected to enter service in 2017. If we consider that the Raptor entered service in December of 05, we can see that the difference in development times is negligible.
You can try to split up the different parts of the deals if they’re known. For example, the India Rafale deal’s breakdown is:
7.87 billion euros for 36 Rafales, consisting of:
3.42 billion euros for the 36 airplanes (so this should be flyaway)
1.8 billion euros for support and infrastructure
1.7 billion euros for India-specific changes on the aircraft
710 million euros for the weapons package
353 million euros for performance-based logistics supportI don’t know why but that comes out to 7.983 billion euros, not 7.87 billion euros, but that’s what’s stated in the DefenseNews article: http://www.defensenews.com/articles/india-inks-deal-with-france-for-36-rafale-fighter-jets
Assuming the article’s conversion of 7.87 billion euros to $8.85 billion, this means:
$3.84 billion for 36 Rafale planes ($107 million each)
$2.02 billion for support and infrastructure
$1.91 billion for India-specific changes on the aircraft ($53 million each — but this should not be considered part of the plane’s flyaway cost because they are specific to India; other countries may not have the same changes and India probably would have had them with any other plane)
$796 million for the weapons package
$396 million for performance-based logistics supportFor U.S. planes sold to the U.S. government, it’s relatively easy to look up via Senate reports and the like, such as here:
http://www.fi-aeroweb.com/Defense-Spending.html#Top-Programs
For example, the F-35A is given as $4257 million for 43 planes ($99 million each) flyaway, with an additional $605 million for support for a total of $113 million each as its weapon system cost. Similarly, the F-35B is given as $127 million each for 16 planes flyaway, or $140 million each for weapon system cost. The F-35C is given as $167 million each for 4 planes flyaway, and $235 million each for weapon system cost, but it’s because they’re only procuring 4 for FY2017; for FY2016 and FY2018 where they procure 6 planes, it’s around $134 million flyaway and $175 million for weapon system cost instead. For the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, it’s $78 million flyaway and $93 million for weapon system cost (each).
Actually the report said 28 F-35As would cover their requirements whereas they’d need 38 Super Hornets or 34 Typhoons to cover the same requirements, not that the costs of those sets of aircraft are the same. I’m sure you know the difference between cost and capability. Source: http://www.fmn.dk/temaer/kampfly/Documents/type-selection-denmarks-new-fighter-aircrafts-english-summary5.pdf#page=8
Treaty ally costs are not the same thing as an export price. F-35’s from the US to Canada is not apples to apples as su 30MKI from Russia to Algeria
So if You see any random image of the F-22-testbed B-757 posted You also conclude that the F-22’s radar is not operational ?
Everyone jumps the gun a bit on declaring operational. No big deal
Russia doesn’t seem to be jumping the gun with the Pak Fa tho