They say that the J 20 is in active service. The radar testing says otherwise.

The F-16 has two F-414 engines and twin tails?

F 18 I meant sry

They could buy a large enough batch that I would bet Russia would approve, while still costing less than 24 Su-35s.

Its not just about the money. With the whole jet, the entire assembly line gets a piece of the action.

If that was the case they would have already bought 117S separately. It is an export approved item.

Not if Russia refused to sell them separately as a clawback for licensing violations.

The funny part of that is, that in some certain “very special” forums, there are a few, who are convinced that in fact China only made this deal to transfer them secretly to Pakistan, where they will be based at Gwadar ! :highly_amused

That’s awesome. I was not in on this at all. I thought plaaf just bought some 35’s and that was that.

I guess time will tell. But that is an interesting theory.

There were several hints at what interests Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (SAC) about the Su-35S.

1: Removal of the dorsal air-brake and using the rudders instead.
2: Removal of the Canards and TVC integration. Su-35S despite the not having canards is equal or better in maneuverability compared to Su-30SM.

Edit:

It is unlikely to be targeted at the J-11B. Probably for future versions of J-11, J-16, and maybe J-15.

so they purchased these aircraft to get the know-how to make changes to their production line ?

…whereas the Asian projects are either dead ducks or US linked.

The UK and Turkey have a long history together and just because the current president of Turkey is engaged in questionable domestic/foreign policies, that doesn’t put him in a different category to other UK partners around the world.

I wouldn’t say the Asian fighters are stiff dead yet.

But yeah it seems like Turkey is all gung ho about it. They are starting from rock bottom though. This is going to be a tough project. All the ingredients. Even a transnational partnership.

One doesn’t need to look any further than the Russia/France Mistral ship deal to see how that might become a problem.

Wow, just wow. KGB, this is a sad display. Your dead simple example was dead wrong.
Here’s why in a nutshell:
The vertical stabilizers on the Mig-29 are considerably smaller than the F-22, by your (twisted) logic, the Mig-29’s very vertical and not treated stabs are less of an RCS target than the F-22’s.

It is very much a strawman, as multiple people have explained to you. The Pak-fa’s vertical stabilizers are not, in themselves, an example of how the Pak-fa could have a lower RCS. Shape, Shape, shape, materials- read the rest of your Wikipedia page:
“If the RCS was directly related to the target’s cross-sectional area, the only way to reduce it would be to make the physical profile smaller. Rather, by reflecting much of the radiation away or by absorbing it, the target achieves a smaller radar cross section.”

Again you keep trying to change the discussion in a vain attempt to “prove” your premise wasn’t horribly misguided. When presented with the flaws you then throw in the whole “if the F-22 and Pak-fa were the same shape” argument. They aren’t and the physical size of the Pak-fa’s do not, I repeat do not impact the RCS vis a vis the F-22’s. They are different, if the shaping and materials are on par that changes the discussion. As it is, you have zero evidence the Pak-fa’s stabs have a lower RCS.

That is what many of us were saying from the start. You seem to have no compunction about flat out lying about what you said. Unfortunately, your posts are still there to disprove that ( should anyone actually care to read them).

Your dead simple example was dead wrong

Let me word it even more simply then.

If Lockheed made a variant of the F 22 Raptor that was the exact same aircraft except it had smaller vertical stabilizers, this variant would have a slightly smaller RCS than the conventional Raptor. Right ? Good.

The vertical stabilizers on the Mig-29 are considerably smaller than the F-22

The Mig 29 is not a designated stealth aircraft so no ! Of course not. This example is pointless.

As it is, you have zero evidence the Pak-fa’s stabs have a lower RCS.

Yes I do. Since the aircraft is designated stealth, we know that the the Pak Fa stabs are SHAPED and RAM’D to qualify as stealth.

The F 22 Raptor is also designated stealth. So we know that the stabs are SHAPED and RAM’D to qualify as stealth. Therefore the only difference between the 2 is, that the Pak Fa’s are physically SMALLER. Which means they have a lower RCS.

as multiple people have explained to you. That is what many of us were saying

2 people are on this one. Stop trying to claim otherwise. And I do have a tacit ally who has commented on my side of it.