AbitNutzSo the J11 is a copy of the SU-27 and the WS10 is a copy of the F110?
AbitNutzOne of the things that always intrigued me about the Mig 29 was its light weight. Is the Mig 35 lighter than the 29? Its take off weight went up 30% but the empty weight went down….Forgive me but this info is from Wikipedia.
AbitNutzSo what we have here is a very tricky world economic situation and while I may sound like “chicken Little” the sky is falling it just may be that the sky isn’t held up very well.
China is an economic powerhouse. It holds the majority of the worlds debt (read U.S.). However the Chinese march to economic greatness is based on construction. 60% of China’s economic expansion is based on building. There is no precedent for this. Even Abu Dhabi, and Dubai never exceeded 30%. The U.S. at its best never got over 5%.
And what does that matter? That pretty much means that the Chinese expansion is based on real estate. In china, waiters and bus drivers are now speculating in real estate. When the uninformed get in to a market, it’s no time to be in the market. It’s like gold. When they start running television ads to buy gold, it’s time not to buy gold.
You can see the the participants of the this expansion through currency value. Canada, Brazil and Australia have extremely strong currency and never really had a real estate bubble. This is because they’re selling huge amount of raw material to China.
Ok, so what? So if China stumbles and all the waiters and bus drivers bailout of their investments, as the casual investor will do. The government will then try to prop this up by dumping even more money into it than they are now…and they won’t be buying U.S. Treasury notes. Then you can quickly see the domino effect that will transpire.
It’s a given that South Korea’s economy will be hugely effected. It’s China’s economy that is very vulnerable. It’s based on immense expansion of what is essentially real estate.
This isn’t a pet theory of mine. It’s a pet theory of a lot of people who may be very wrong but as intertwined as things are today. There is no such thing as an economic island. Unless of course you’re North Korea and have no economy to start with…and nothing to lose.
The book The Coldest Winter: America and the Korean War, by David Halberstam was a really interesting look at how the Korean war started and all how all the players misread each other. China may not have the control over North Korea that everyone automatically assumes.
AbitNutzIf war were to break out it wouldn’t have to be wholesale anything.
The North starts lobbing shells again.
The South counters with air strikes.
The North explodes one of its estimated 15 nukes anywhere…
Even if the nuke is a “fizzle”. The equivalent of a “dirty bomb” leaves the area uninhabitable (Seoul?).
The North’s regime is buried in some very deep shelter…where they would have to be dug out.
The worlds economy goes into a tailspin and trillions are lost within hours.
It seems the North’s real hostage isn’t their people or the South’s people…it’s the entire worlds economy.
AbitNutzI used Google satellite view to look at Pyongyang. It’s empty of activity. Almost zero traffic. It almost looks like a well kept museum.
I question what exactly South Korea would retaliate against? It doesn’t appear that NK has anything that would sting them by destroying it. If Seoul is attacked there would be an economic tsunami that would ripple across the entire world…China included.
Could it be that North Korea has so little that they are insulated against loosing it? As long as the regime itself survives…they win.
AbitNutz[QUOTE=martinez;1432693]When checking your replies on this thread you must be smoking some seriously bad stuff. Yes, Mr. Davies said following when someone asked him about giving “piece of $hit” impression in his book.
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“If that’s the impression they get about the MS or BN, then good.”[/QUOTE
Further transparency. You conveniently left off your “killed one U.S. hero pilot” addition.
Maybe if you read more and wrote less you’d be more effective in trying to persuade people you have any credibility. In reviewing your posts however, the constant slanted, biased theme is unending and renders all your data suspect.
“May your soul rest in peace LtGen Robert “Bobby” Bond.”
“killed one U.S. hero pilot”
No one can possibly see through the intent of that verbiage. No matter what they smoke….
AbitNutzMay your soul rest in peace LtGen Robert “Bobby” Bond.
Mr. Davies then describes the tragedy in detail, but his arguments were actually so weird that they really bothered me for some time. Probably everyone reading it will get an impression that the crappy soviet piece od $hit called Mig-23 killed one U.S. hero pilot.
Ok, so here’s where the truth gets told. When I read about Bond’s accident I never got the impression that the “crappy soviet piece od $hit called Mig-23 killed one U.S. hero pilot.” Mr Davies has said that he never wrote the paragraph with the intent to give the reader that impression and I don’t believe everyone got that impression at all….save you and only for your own purposes.
You deliberately spun what the author wrote in order to give your other arguments validity. That poorly crafted maneuver brings in to doubt anything that you write. I’m not familiar enough with any aircraft to give a contradictory expert technical opinion. The problem with expert technical opinions, in any field, are that the audience that can recognize overtly slanted views or outright falsehoods is very small. However, when writing anything non-technical, such ulterior motives or hidden agendas become not so hidden and just leap off the page at you. Then I hear a little voice say, “I was born at night but I wasn’t born last night”.
Worse, you preface that statement with a memorial tribute to Bond. You wrote that first in an attempt to swing aviation enthusiasts readers emotions from your actual intent. That’s my impression of course, everyone else may read it differently.
AbitNutzThat’s a shame.
Says who? I have plenty of MiG-23 flight, tactics and mx manuals from a range of countries that operated the type. Your arrogance is astounding.
That pretty much sums you up, Martinez. More putrid comments from someone who cannot stand to be wrong.
Hey, maybe he’ll write a book and correct all of your egregious errors. Maybe I’ll buy it, like I did yours. Hmm…second thought…naw. I’m not good enough to read it.
I’m looking at buying a few other books……I think I’ll buy these too.
F-15C/E Eagle Units of Operation Iraqi Freedom
F-15E Strike Eagle Units in Combat 1990-2005
F-15 Eagle & Strike Eagle -Cmbt Leg
F-16 Fighting Falcon Units of Operation Iraqi Freedom
Boeing F-15E Strike Eagle: All-Weather Attack Aircraft
F-15C Eagle Units in Combat
AbitNutzNot to ruin your thoughts on the Mig-21 but it is certainly not a dogfighter. It may be more maneuverable than an F-4 (not by that much) but it is certainly outclassed today by a wide margin by almost anything in the sky. They are plentiful, cheap, rugged and hard to spot visually and might even be able to slip through radar undetected if things go its way, but its not a dogfighter (the 17 was much better at that)
I just read aviation books and live within driving distance from the greatest aviation museum on earth. The author says it’s a dog fighter. My thoughts are pretty much a irrelevant.
AbitNutzPage 224 says it was a Mig 23BN Flogger F. The engine was a Turmansky R-29-300 (R-29A). The pilot killed was Lieutenant General Robert “Bobby” Bond.
When the author writes of the R-29 you can just feel his awe, yet total dislike for that engine…and for the Mig 23 in general. While incredibly powerful, he writes that it ran extremely hot and that Turmansky went to weird lengths to cool it (like drilling air cooling passages in the turbine blades) because they either didn’t have the expensive coatings and metals available to the West or just didn’t want to invest in them as the engines were viewed as disposable.
It’s interesting that Davies said all the Russian planes went faster than their published speed. I was always a doubter of Mig 25 speed claims. After all, look at a Mig 25 vs an SR-71. The Mig looks like an overly square, well…Mig. The SR-71 looks like it was designed by Star Fleet Command and Capt Kirk flew it. Maybe I’m a bit more of a believer now. After all the Starship Enterprise looks like a Frisbee with some chopsticks stuck in it.
I’m rereading the book. I’m starting to pick up more detail but Mr. Davies, if you’re reading this…I like your book. Maybe by going through it again it’ll flow a little better for me.
I’d still like to see a Mig 21 with a J-79 in it.
AbitNutzUnfortunately not. I would have really liked to know what the US thought of the Mig 29 as well as the SU-27. The only mention of them was that the author was sure the US has some.
As far as the B&W view of the Mig 21, maybe so but I was ready to read of every niggling fault the Mig 21 had. It was really a pretty flattering portrayal.
As far the Mig 23 goes…they told of an incident where a pilot was killed in it. It had all the disclaimers…There was no punches pulled. He shouldn’t have been flying it. However, the peculiarities of the Mig 23’s systems that led to his death were to say the least…unusual.
He had the throttle pushed to the stops and was going as fast as that giant engine would push him. Apparently the plane had a tendency to nose down a bit at warp 9 and become almost unmaneuverable. The pilot didn’t like the idea of doing Mach 2.5 straight down and pulled back on the throttle and…nothing happened. The engine continued continued at full power. He believed his only option was to punch out, which he did, at supersonic speed. The lip of his helmet caught on part of the ejection seat, when the slip stream hit him it caused his head to whip back, breaking his neck, killing him instantly. Again, the author said this too was the pilot, not the plane but…
The author claims the reason the Mig 23 engine didn’t slow when the throttle was closed was because it had an anti-deceleration mechanism. A what?? It seems that if the throttle was chopped suddenly at ludicrous speed, the sudden deceleration would rip the engine out of the airplane. What?? Is that normal for fast aircraft?
If the pilot had just waited, the engine would have slowly wound down. All indications were that the plane impacted the desert floor with the engine at idle.
How they came to all of these conclusions when the only person in the aircraft was killed is likely a very interesting story all in itself.
AbitNutzA nice 5000hp T-56 in the nose of a Skyraider would be interesting….
AbitNutzI saw a TV story a few years ago about Chinese state supported violation of copyrights, patents and intellectual property. They focused on a Chinese company that made fake Callaway golf clubs. When the reporter asked them about making “counterfeit” products. He was corrected by the state spokesman who vehemently denied the sports equipment was counterfeit. He said it was a copy and there was a difference. They were copies not counterfeit.
So you see, the J11 is a copy and that’s OK. If it was a Counterfeit I guess they would do something. So really, the Russians and the rest of the world don’t have a leg to stand on….
I’ll be happy to explain this further…if I can figure out what the difference is.
AbitNutzWow…Russians complaining about someone copying aircraft and parts without license. Wonder if they’d like to comment on the Rolls Royce Nene turbojet used in the Mig 15.Or perhaps the Tupolev TU-4.
AbitNutzWould this be the gap that meant the USSR could destroy the world 10 times over, but the US only 6 times over? :rolleyes:
Yes, that would be the one…but since when did that ever matter?
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