Hi Ozplane, yes they are restoring a Vildebeest, in fact they have two airframes there and I believe one is a Vincent, but I don’t know if both are being restored. There are at least two other Vincents in NZ too, one of which is certainly being restored, to static only.
We all have our own points of views on replicas and we all know there are really good replicas, and some really poor examples that should not dare to use the name of the real thing.
I will never put anyone down for building a plane, whatever type it is, especially if it gives them immense pleasure and pride in the build and later in the flying of. Fair play to them, even those who are think their ultralight resembles a fighter, etc.
However I do think that the proper replicas (those made to exactly look like the real thing, and hopefully sound and act the same) would be much more useful and valuable to the world at large if they were representing real rarities or bringing the extinct back to life.
Realistic replicas of Spitfires serve a purpose, but they’ll will never do against the real thing. They will be compared and the replica will always be second best. But create a replica of something that no longer flies, and your’s will come to represent the type if done well.
If all that money and effort is to be put into something I’d rather see unique types built.
The likes of the Southern Cross replica, the DH88 replicas, the Me262’s and Fw190’s, the Gebe racers, etc are all types that bring back to life the very rare or extinct types as far as flying goes. This is what replica builders should strive for imho.
I’d love to see other very rare or extinct types reborn this way, like some of the Japanese bombers such as the Betty or Sally, etc. And a Ju88 or a Hampden, A Battle and Defiant, and a Wellington all in the air. Even these projects woul be hugely expensive of course so we’ll never see them, and we;ll never see the bigger types still like the Stirling, Halifax or Lancaster either. But there is such a huge scope for recreating a piece of long gone history. If you’re going to do it, do it right, Rather than individuals building halfbaked replicas in their sheds I’d rather see them pool their money and expertise and form group projects to get a realistic type going. Don’t make half scale things with the wrong engine profile and oerblown canopies. Make it like the real thing. You’ll get more pleasure from the satisfaction, you’ll be trully creating history as well as recreating it, and you’ll be teaching the next generation about the aircraft of past generations much more effectively.
Still, it is up to the individual and if you want half a Stirling that looks all wrong, go for it. I’d still turn out to see it fly.
Ahh, but it wasn’t static! It was made for a Czech film, could taxi around, and was ultimately written off by pulling the wheels up for a simulated forced-landing! 😉
There’s been discussion on that one before on here, I seem to recall.
Yes, it was me who brought it up last time too. When I said static I should have said non-flying. It would be nice to see one recreated for high speed taxiing, if someone has a spare C47 to spare to make into a Wimpy…
Here’s the original thread
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=32467&highlight=wellington+replica
There have also been replicas of the ugly Ford Trimotor, haven’t there?
Has anyone got photos of the replica Lancaster built recently in Canada? There were photos on here not too long ago of what looked like a full sized Lanc made from wood being built for some event at Niagara Falls or somewhere, made from wood. Did anyone snap the finished result?
A replica Stirling is also being built for static too.
Ooh, and the replica Southern Cross. There’s been loads of multi-engined replicas actually. Both airworthy and static.
My favourite static has to be the Wellington made from a C-47 type plane
And some full size DH88 Comets which look like the real thing.
There was apparently a 2/3 scale Airspeed Oxford in NZ years ago too but I’ve never seen a photo of it yet.
Don’t forget the twin engined Me262 replicas!
The Sunderland looks particularly forlorn…..
Yes indeed. It was awaiting its sad fate. Here is that aircraft’s history in brief from adf.serials.com/nz
NZ4120 was broken up and scrapped at RNZAF Station Hobsonville during December 1966-January 1967. Many other Sunderlands and Catalinas also saw their last days on that airfield. 🙁
When I visited the collection of Don and Mike Subritzky in February this year with Setter and Steve P., Mike S. showed us the reamins of four Hinds. One is currently advanced in its restoration to flight for the Old Stick and Ruder Company, Masteron. Another is also semi-complete and used to reside on loan with the RNZAF Museum but they intend to get it flying next I think. The otehrs are basic airframes, with much work to do.
Now, in April last year there was a piece on the news during the Wanaka airshow about the Campbell company that makes the leather hard helmets. It showed the company HQ in Canterbury, NZ, and in their hangar was a biplane which was onscreen momentarily, and had no skine, but looked like an advanced restoration or new-build, and the tail looked distinctly Hawker too. I’m not suire about that one.
Demons in NZ? Never heard of that. Who has them?
There are several Hinds here, some of which planned to be and/or are being rebuilt to fly – but I’ve not heard of any Demons here
Is that a Hudson in the background on the left
Thanks Denys. That’s a huge shame if it has been destroyed. I remember the fuselage being at Wigram in the early 1990’s when they were restoring NZ2013, and though certainly not complete, and largely empty inside, it was then a reasonably substantial and recognisable piece of aircraft. I’d hate to think it was scrapped in this day and age, and while in ownership of such a prominent museum.
Denys, I know you’re something of a Hudson expert, so I wonder if I may ask a few questions that have bugged me for some time. Do you have any idea of the history of NZ2084 – while I was based at Wigram a few of the guys on the ‘2013 restoration team told me ‘2084 had been used in the TV series ‘The Sea Urchins’, and sunk in water for its scene. That was a 1980 kid’s show made by TVNZ. Have you heard of this? I have not yet been able to get confirmation of the story.
I wonder who owned ‘2084 in the years between leaving RNZAF service when it was bought by scrap man Mr Larsen, and getting to the RNZAF Museum. Was it simply languishing at Rukuhia?
Also, your own museum’s Hudson apparently was previously displayed with the Marlborough Museum of Flight, whilst owned by the Holdaway family in Blenheim. Do you know anything about that museum in Marlborough? Where was it based, and what else did they have? Did Ferrymead get anything else from there when it closed?
Another question – the wings on NZ2013 now are reported to have been found acting as a shed roof somewhere near Blenheim. Do you know which aircraft they came off? Were they perhaps also from ‘2084?
Lastly, it’s well known that a Hudson still exists in the Upper Auckland Harbour, in the mudflats just west of the Grenhythe Bridge, which crashed on approach to Whenuapai. I tried to go have a look at low tide once while based at Hobsonville but the mud was impossible to traverse. Just recently however I heard from a mate that he has been out to the aircraft with an IPMS modelling group who did a day trip and braved the mud for a look. He said he was amazed at how complete the plane is. Have you ever had a look at it yourself? If so, what are your impressions of it? I thought as it had stalled at low level it would have been failry badly damaged but my mate didn’t seem to imply this. Any thoughts?
Thanks for your time, and thanks to everyone who’s replied here.
Thanks Malcolm. Wow. I never realised they were that big.
More Kiwi Rearwin stuff
Hi Melvyn,
I found this letter and photo in the November 1983 issue of New Zealand Wings, and thought they maybe of interest
Wouldn’t you just love a poke around in this place?
Photo is uncredited but from an article by Colin Owers on Aussie Beaus, in Flightpath Vol 5 No 4
It was on BBC World last night, the Top Gear episode where Jeremy drives a Porsche and a Merc around Eastmoor while snipers from some Irish unit try to shoot him. Is this the episode you refer to?
Many various areas around STANTA, including Watton aerodrome, were used as locations in Dad’s Army. They were always based in Thetford during location filming.