I’ll have a go at what I can on this. It has been many years since I was fortunate to visit in person, so I cannot answer some questions. I hoe my small contribution is of some use to you.
The questions:
1) What do you like most about Duxford?
For me it is the most famous airfield in the world, and to walk around the same hangars, buildings and aprons that were once hallowed by people like Douglas Bader, Keith Park, and Kenneth Moore, Michael Bates and Susanna York, right up to the modern Duxford heroes like Ray Hanna and Stephen Grey, I found my experience there an incredibly worthwhile journey. It was seeing Battle of Britain and reading further on the film that lead me to discover Duxford, then I got hooked on FlyPast in 1990 and the name Duxford became embedded in my psyche. I had to make a pilgrimage to the place, succeededing in 1993.
2) What do you dislike most about Duxford?
What’s not to like? except it’s too far away for me to visit.
3) What makes you return to Duxford? (When time and distance allows of course!)
I’ve only been once but I shall return someday, it has a magnetic pull for me that will always be there, it is hallowed ground – one of those places that once you’ve left you always want to return becuase you’ll see something new every time. Plus all the photos on here almost daily make me really want to go back and see the place again. And I know nowadays that if I do return I should be able to find some good company to show me around.
4) What do we get right at Duxford?
It has such an array of aircraft, on such a historic location and is known the world over. All the displays seemed to be displayed well in the various hangars, access was good, as was lighting, etc. And most of the planes were in good condition. I think it is great that rivate companies use the station too so many of the airfield’s planes still fly and regularly do displays. It’s a living museum.
5) What do we get wrong?
Nothing that I can think of, except I tend to agree with the argument often mentioned here that any new buildings should be constructed in keeping with the period of the war, rather than over-expensive archetectural mostrosities. I see some merits in the arty-farty buildings, but I think a place like Duxford would have much more charm if it had been kept looking fully authentic as a WWII station. I’m glad I went and saw it before the AAM was built.
6) What changes or improvements would you like to see made at Duxford?
Do you ever publish books, videos or DVD’s just about Duxford. as a place today? A souvenir of what the place is like, with some of its history added in. That would be good for people who’ve both visited or have never been there. If such was done, it’d need a regualr update and over time each edition adds to preserving the place’s hidtory. Just a random thought.
Here’s another daft idea. My silly suggestion some months back of Duxford displaying Madame Tussauds style dummies of the Battle of Brtain film cast seemed popular on here with some. I’d like to adjust the idea though, rather than film people, I think realistic dummies of famous airmen and women would be better – Keith Park, Bader, Al Deere, Leigh Mallory, Dowding, Malan, Johnnie Johnson, Guy Gibson, etc. Each could be displayed tastefully with an appropriate aircraft, etc, and maybe have a small plaque explaining to the public who these heroes were. Also do the likes of RJ Mitchell and Sydney Camm, etc. And US aces too, like Chuck Yeager, and Poles, Canadians, Aussies, Czechs, etc. Even some German aces like Galland and Rall could be included.
They’d be great educational tools, especially if you gave kids brochures that tell the story of each man or woman and they can seek each one out round the museum. Great for school visits, etc. They’d also be an attraction for visitors to be photographed beside their heroes, like people do at Tussauds. I know Tussauds works with some museums to present such displays, maybe they could be brought onboard?
8) If sometimes you are accompanied to Duxford by family or friends who are not particularly interested in aircraft, do they leave feeling they have at least had an interesting day out, or do they think that Duxford is for enthusiasts only?
I went with a chap who was not into aircraft but he thoroughly enjoyed the day. He was an architecture student and he was fascinated by the architecture of your hangars, something I’d never thought of. He liked the rest of the museum too of course.
I hope this helps.
Robbo, on seeing your latest avatar I instantly thought of the late great Bernard Bresllaw… I don’t know why
Cheers Mark.
It did seem odd, a member of the opposition running in to break up two team mates. Whatever next. The public handshake for the press today looked awfully forced to me too.
Isn’t it interesting how when Mother Teresa died, her funeral was overshadowed by the death the same week of Princess Diana causing clashes for some world leaders who wanted to be in both places – now Charles’ wedding is overshadowed by the death of the Pope for the same reason. Wierd how things turn out.
Mark12,
Which film/show were those Spitfire flays made for? Are they from ‘A Perfect Hero”?
And Rob, what’s the story of the Messersplat?
Thanks Allen, yes that is Bill, and I had seen that before.
I am piecing togther a massive page on Bill (as he has always been known, Edward is just an ‘official’ name) from many sources. He lead an incredible career during the war, being at one time the RAF’s highest tallied pilot for sweeps over France, the first to combat the Italians over England, and one of the RAF’s most respected leaders.
As well as masses of contemporary wartime cuttings I have also the benefit of having talked to him personally and gotten writings he did some years ago to piece the story togther. I just don’t want to put it online unfinished yet. It’ll be up soon I hope.
He was also the first NZ’er to receive the grouping of DSO, DFC and Bar – later also held by Al Deere (one of his best mates) and Patrick ‘Jamie’ Jameson. Among fighter pilots of the RNZAF he was one of the most significant. Apparently any pilot who flew with him once said they’d follow him anywhere because his leadership was so superb and he was so cool in action. One account has him leading his 12 Spits into 52 FW190’s, he and his wingman fought off 12 FW190s that jumped them after they got seperated from the fight… till his wingman escaped for home and he had to get out of it alone. His aircraft didn’t get a scratch.
If anyone has those letter codes I’d appreciate it – I know a few of you have studied 41 Sqn (but more later with their Mark 12’s I think)
Hmm, there’s a case in NZ right now where an off duty policeman gave somone a clip on the ear for parking in a disabled car park, and killed the guy. He didn’t realise the young bloke had been seroisly ill and had just got out of hospital. The knock to his head banged him back in the seat and caused injuries that killed him, so his family and lawyer say. Shame, the officer was in the wrong and will probably go down for it.
I heard when I was in the RNZAF that a standard sized Hercules held the record of about 320 people and their goats and chickens in an evac mission somewhere in Africa. Of course it may have been just hearsay. I doubt it flew very far.
Thanks for that Robert – that was a great press release. I shall never forget the ceremony when he was buried, definately an amazingly emotional national event, and the biggest state funeral in New Zealand for decades. It’s a shame this vandalism has happened before ANZAC Day, they don’t think it’ll be fixed on time. The national ceremony is always televised from that War Memorial.
I think – now that my rage has calmed a little – this vandalism is probably a case of a couple of stupid kids who were not maliciously going out of there way to desicrate the tomb for any political reason or whatever, but simply mindlessly took no time to stop and think about what they were doing and inadvertantly caused the damage. It seems it took place at night so they may not have even realised their skateboard wheels were doing such damage. I hope they might come forward and admit their guilt.
Then again, perhaps they do lack education, common-sense, respect – a lot of kids do these days and it is the system that is failing them.
We learned about WWII at high school (1984-88), plus a little about WWI, Vietnam and other areas of history too (I never took a specific history class either then). But I hear schools don’t teach much of this nowadays because they don’t think it gets people jobs – and I guess because we have a PC government who only wan to talk about the wrongs white man did to the Maoris – well I can assure that the history classes at uni are brimming with people, so they do want to learn about it. It is our heritage and all kids should be taight that, not just a glazed over, revised history that we see so much of today.
I came up with the idea to do a sister-site to my website which would give the basics of what Cambridge was like in World War Two. It would refer to my exisiting Air Force site, but also cover Cambridge people who were in the NZ Army, Royal NZ Navy and RN (we had six men on Achilles at the River plate, one was killed!), and the girls who joined the Army Nursing Corps. It would also cover our Home Guard Battallion, and other Home Front organisations like the EPS, WWSA, VAD’s, WVS, NPC, etc. The site would also cover life in the town from transport to shops and industry to rationing to the various military camps that were in the town – and much more. I was thinking also of having three sections that gave a hypertetical day in the life of people, a man, a lady and a child, in the town – diary style.
My idea was, if I put it together and presented it to the schools to use as a text so the kids in the many schools of the district can use it, then they could not only get an idea of the war in general and sacrifices made, but also relate it back to their very own town.
Anyway, I spoke to Eris Parker who is curator of the local museum to see what she thought. Eris said she had previously come up with a similar idea, but in book/school project form rather than online, and she’d taken this idea to the local high schools on several different occasions. The history teachers apparently brimmed with enthusiasm and always said they’d get back to her so they could do it and work it into the curriculum, and she’s never heard back from any of them.
This disheartened me a little. I’m not sure I will bother now. What do you guys think – should I do it? Like the RNZAF site, it’d be a labour of love but very time consuming. But there are so many important local stories to tell and we need the next generation to learn as much as our own, otherwise we might as well not bother recording it. So I’d need support from the schools, an assurance they’d use it.
Another problem is I’d have a little difficulty in writing it specifically for school class use and would need input from a teacher to help with the language of teaching, but if they can’t be arsed then why should I bother. (which is what Eris decided, hence the reason she hasn’t done it).
Is it worth pursuing?
Ah, ok. I did wonder about that.
I just found a similar nose art theme on a B24 here
http://www.acepilots.com/planes/nose_art/****tininigittin.jpg
Is that an alcoholic drink Martin? I’ve never heard of it, but it sounds evil!
Arthur, the RNZAF TBF-1C that carried the nose art “Plonky” was Fred Ladd’s plane – a man who could never be referred to as a blue button type. That artwork was simply a non-specific beer barrel, I was thinking more in terms of brand names – which may today help with Warbird sponsorsip and still have authentic schemes, if you see what I mean.
Cheers Arm Waver, sounds like good news.
I agree, I just downloaded it for a look and it is excellent. Who flew the second Spitfire?
It must have been fun to mke, I wonder how many takes were required to get it so perfect in the one shot sequence. I love it when the baddies are heading home and the Spit slips in for the kill.
Is Brooklands a ‘national’ museum, ie public owned? Or is it privately owned? I notice they have a lot of significent airframes outdoors – Duxford and other sites get it in the neck from many on this board for that, do people feel the same about Brooklands keeping planes outside? Or are they much better cared for? Surely it’d be cheaper in the long run to build a big hangar and put them under cover than to keep painting and maintaining airframes?
Looks like a great museum, I’ve only seen it at a distance from the train.