Or for an original LP you can try GEMM (which is the music equiv of ABE Books), there is lots of second hand ones listed there
Thanks OFMC Fan. I have some more somewhere but cannot lay my hands on them. As this was the last day, a lot of us who’d been involved with them, includiong most of Technical Squadron where I worked, turned out to see them off. They took off in fours and fourmed up eventually into that large formation, but sadly they were past me before the formation was sorted properly.
Also I have the same deal from when No. 3 Sqn left Wigram, five Souix and three Iroqouis in formation, disappearing into the sunset. Sad times, the demise of a great base.
I have another photo I took at Wigram where one of every type of aircraft in the RNZAF except the 727 (which cannot land on that runway) was lined up on the tarmac. I cannot for the life of me remember what the occasion was – does anyone know? It’s have been about 1992 or 1993. Perhaps it was the afternoon before a Wings and Wheels, but I don’t recall exactly.
I don’t think anbody would ever accuse Ron Reagan of being a defence wimp!!!!
Of course not, he was in LOADS of war films 😀
John B, cheap? I should think so, they turn 40 years old this year and all probably very high houred machines. I’ll drop Mike a line and see what he says.
Hi John B,
Yes we operate both Bell 47G-3B-1 and Bell 47-G3-B-2 types. I don’t know if there is any designation for the one our mechanics built from spare parts and bits left over from a couple of wrecks though!
I know an officer who till recently was working on the helicopter replacement programme. I can ask him about their disposal if you’re seriously interested.
More from the olden days…
This was the last day of the Pilot Training Squadron’s CT4B’s at RNZAF Wigram. They formed up en-masse and flew north to their new home at RNZAF Ohakea



Cheers everyone.
Those F14’s would have been brilliant but alas there are no maintenance staff and experienced pilots left to use them. 🙁
Oh well, I’ll cheer this thread up a little with some now very historic aircraft, all of which have left the RNZAF after many years of sterling service…
Andovers Seen here at Whenuapai, known affectionately then as Leftovers



Airtourer and Friendship, both retired Seen here at Wigram, known as a “Tourer” and a “Friendly”

Boeing 727 Vomet Comets



Souix John, the fleet is being disposed of very soon I’m told

A4K ‘Kahu’ Skyhawks Known as Squawks

Exactly what I meant about snide remarks from people who should know better.
Defence of a country does not have to purely about war. As I have tried to explain, economic defence, such as the preservation of our waters and fisheries from poachers is a primary concern for New Zealand. We have a large country with a vast piece of ocean to patrol and monitor to ensure our companies and those we’ve sold fishing claims to get their fair share, and that rogue boats are not destroying the ecology of the area by over fishing and poaching.
But we as a country of 4 million people, despite our large landmass and waters, are a small fish in a big pond when it comes to economic as well as military force. Trying to maintain our little piece of that big pond when less scrupulous countries like Japan, China, Taiwan and others don’t give a toss who’s water they steal from is getting increasingly difficult when only two Orions can cover that expanse.
Meanwhile we also uphold our international duties under the Search and Rescue pacts, and we do more than our fair share every year in relief work in the Pacific and other regions. We also maintain a presence in Antarctica, and the RNZAF carrie out many peace keeping missions around the world constantly, both in the air and on the ground. The first New Zealanders into the Bosnian conflict were RNZAF, not the Army who got all the glory later. The RNZAF has been serving in Bougainville to stop that country killing itself, and they were very active in East Timor. We still have an RNZAF presence in the Sinai too and many other regions.
And the helicopters do medivacs, SAR, anti drug sweeps, rescues of ill saiors from ships, and much more at home.
The Boeings ship troops, politicians, media groups and goodness knows what else all over the world too, and also have the great job of returning veterans to visit battlefronts on regular occasions as anniversaries arise.
These are the duties taht the RNZAF maintains. The Government chose to decide that the duties of the Combat Wing were no longer required, so they no longer need to maintain those duties, do they? It is no longer a duty if not required.
My biggest concern with the downscaling of the RNZAF is not the loss of the Skyhawks, not the loss of our whizzy-do new F16’s we’d been promised and had bought. It is the loss of skills. In every field, from pilot to avionics mechanic to chef, every trade in the RNZAF was highly trained and highly skilled. They could match it with anyone in the world and proved this regulalry in competitions for aircrews such as the Fincastle Trophy, Exercise Skytrain and many others where the RNZAF had great records of triumph. I was told while in the RNZAF that in an annual excercise where the USS Enterprise invited an elite squadron each year from different countries, to come and attack them and see if they could “sink” her in an exercise, the Skyhawk pilots of No. 75 Sqn RNZAF were the only squadron to successfully accomplish it during their turn. They came in at sea level behind Hawaii and then at the last minute climbs and splashed the carrier. I’d love to know more on this and if it is true or just line shooting. I think it’d be true, I heard it a few times.
Even the chefs regularly won international awards in both military and civil competitions and were always highly sought after by hotels as far away as London.The training was second to none, and we had an entire air force full of well above average IQ staff, all highly trained, who eventually would filter back into the civil world in whatever trade they did.
Pilots, Navigators, mechanics and all number of technical staff would finish their RNZAF career and move onto New Zealand’s airlines, or the world’s. Chefs went to hotels. Accounts and Admin clerks went into businesses. So on.
Now so much of these trades has been farmed out to civil contractors, some with terrible reputations, so to start with they were likely to be much less skilled and capable than their RNZAF counterpart, and they do not go through anything near the training levels achieved in the military. As civilians they can go on strike if they don’t like things, Airmen can’t.
So now the level of skill and training in the RNZAF is much lower. And the stream of skilled fully trained peiople that used to come out the other end of the RNZAF for NZ’s workforce has dried up. That is what worries me. I am now at university. Their ‘teaching’ methods and administration in comparison to the military are appauling. To schools and univerities these days, education is a business, not about passing on skills and educating people. It is all about getting the maximum number of Chinese students in the class room because their fees are four times us Kiwis. It is no wonder this country is fast going down the tubes.
I guess there isn’t a lot left to defend so we didn’t need the F16’s after all.
love the film,but very tongue in cheek, as far as accuracy goes theres loads of films you could critisize, what about Das Boot when they are bombed at the end by what looks like a flight of heinkels :confused:
I for one would NEVER criticise Das Boot. I watched the fully restored director’s cut a few weeks ago, 4 hours of amazing film! That is one of the very best war films ever. Very accurate, the sub they used was even made by the original U-boat manufacturer to real drawings found in a Chicago museum.
Something else brilliant is the dubbed English track on the DVD was not only their own voices but dubbed so well it was almost perfect, much like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon’s dubbing.
Wolfgang Peterson did a fantastic job of creating the feeling of being inside a real U-boat. The end attack was the only ever so slight lack of accuracy I noticed. But at least they used the real U-boat pens!
One more thing of note, the actor who played the journalist looks stunningly like a younger Clive Anderson!
combat wing? who were you going to attack? Australia?
Only if they cheat in cricket again!
Why would we attack anyone? It is a defence force. And it has been used against shipping stealing from our waters. The main purpose of the so-called combat wing was training, the Maachis – like the Strikemasters before – trained all our pilots to the highest level even if they were going onto Orions, Andovers, helicopters… They were the best trained pilots in the world at one time (for a long time).
The secondary role of the comabt wing was a defence presence. The A4K’s were very capable aircraft, and were upgraded in the 1980’s and 90’s to make them the most advanced Skyhawks in the world, with the same content and capability as a new F16 with a few added local features.
The third role was publicity. Airshows in NZ have never been the same without the Skyhawks appearing. They made the public proud of the RNZAF, and also helped tremendously with recruiting. Had we got our F16’s that were bought, that tradition would have carried on and we’d no doubt have the best F16 display team in the world right now.
We still have combat capable aircraft, the Orions carry torpedoes and bobs, the Seasprites have rockets and stuff and the helos can be armed too. But it would only be used in training and at the very most in self defence.
Well, there may not be a lot left of the RNZAF I’m afraid, but it is still and active service that still maintains its duties.
I think this show will cover the Orion ops in Afganistan, plus probably a fair few sea rescues that the Orions are always having to do all over the Pacific and Southern Ocean areas on top of their martime patrols to stop the hundreds of illegal Asian fishing boats that try to poach in our waters, and doing ASR work.
They will no doubt cover the Hercules ops in the Pacific where aid is a constant thing for the RNZAF, helping many islands rebuild after frequent storms. And hopefully their duties with the NZ Army at home and abroad will be covered too.
I hope they will also cover some of the training aspects with the CT4E’s, Soiux and the Beech King Airs. Hell, I hope they actually show some ground trades at work too, and follow their day to day life.
No. 40 Sqn’s 757’s will no doubt pop up as they are the newest flagships.
And then there is a lot of TV potential with No. 3 Squadron’s Iroquois helicopters doing mountain and bush search and rescue, police work, army liason, and many of the other thankless tasks they perform. And the Seasprite helicopters may also feature I hope.
Fingers crossed that they might, just might, mention the RNZAF Museum and a bit of history of the service. That would be great.
Though it has been downgraded, there is so much more to the RNZAF than what the naiive public think there is. It’s such a pity it has been run down so badly and suffered nothing but negative press and snide comments. They still manage to do a fantastic job, everything they are asked of them, under the most ridiculous pressure from the anti-RNZAF Government who wnats nothing better than to wind it all down and yet still requires their tasks to get done. An audit well over a year ago concluded that they were so underfunded and understaffed that they could either train or be operational, but not both. Nothing was done. They still train and operate, with their belts a little tighter still I guess. I was told a few months back by a Corporal in the RNZAF that they are almost out of pilots who were trained under the proper scheme (Airtrainer, Maachi, Andover then Herc, Orion or Boeing). He said the cut-price trainees are much more poorly trained, yet they are expected to do what the experts do quicker.
I also heard the other day, we have just three Orion crews now, for six our Orions. One of those Orions is serving in the Middle East. What’s with that, NZ Government? That is just appaulling, dangerous and negligent.
Sadly when Helen’s mob are finally shunted out of parliament, the next lot will be just as bad. National are a bunch of idiot beancounters. After all, that lot started the demise of the RNZAF in the 1990’s, Helen just put her foot on the excelerator.
Sadly we haven’t even enough military left for a military coup. I think it is time to start looking for corporate sposorship – the Red Bull New Zealand Air Force?
Mountains? In this country they ain’t even hills mate. 🙂
No, definately not USA, it’s Ardmore, South Auckland, New Zealand.
Though I love Warbirds Over Wanaka and all those who run it and contribute to it, I have to say the admission price seems astoundingly high. No other airshow in the country comes close to their prices.
For 2006 they are asking each adult to pay $35 for the practice Friday, $55 for the Saturday, $55 for the Sunday (which is usually a repeat of the Saturday) or
for all the three days $125.
This is standard fare, not Gold Pass which is $325 for the three days!
Sure, it is a unique show, but then they don’t really have too many aircraft that are not seen at other big shows in the country, do they?
Compare Wanaka to the biggest airshow this year, Classic Fighters – which will no doubt have pretty much the same line-up as WoW04 – and their three day standard adult pass is $45, or $15 for practice Friday and $25 per weekend day. There is even a very good family pass price of $50 for two adults and any amount of kids under 12 years old.
I note Wanaka has no concession for pensioners. They have forgotten the lower income earners, veterans, students and the likes. It seems to me that Wanaka is only affordable to the rich and the tourists cashing in on the exchange rate these days.
Remembering it is in the middle of nowhere and accomodation is always a premium at airshow time, the average Joe has to pay a fortune to get there, a fortune to stay there and a fortune to get in. This is not the case with Omaka.
Sorry to diss WoW. I do love what they do, but for an airshow that is solely meant to raise money for community projects they seem to want to raise a hell of a lot of it. The community must be loving it.
The DVD for those who couldn’t make it is at least cheaper than getting in.
Those are smashing photos Steve. The L39 looks so cool, especially with the red stars on. Is yours in USAF colours then?
I would suggest people should appreciate what they’ve got, the finest aviation facility in the world. Don’t moan that aircraft are crammed in here and there, it is much better that way than to have no exhibits in there at all or to have everything outdoors in the winter. In my experience the Duxford team does a fantastic job, there is nothing else comparable in Britain or in this country and I would love the opportunity to see the collection again, no matter how disrupted it may be temporarily.
I don’t know who it was in the RAF that discovered Gremlins but it was Roald Dahl who popularised them in his first book which he wrote whilst a pilot in the RAF. Shortly afterwards Walt Disney made a film of the book, and the characters in this Maurice Conly cover for Contact are supposedly based on the film. Has abyobe seen this 1943 film?

According to RNZAF Contact, there are several varieties: This is from my website:
Gremlins – An Air Force expression, now in common usage, to describe the mischievous spirit blamed for any unexplainable mishaps that occur mechanically on an aircraft. Gremlins take the form of a small impish type of character. Also see Fifinellas, Widgets, Flibberty- Gibbets and Woffledigets. A Gremlin is the fully- grown male variety
Fifinella – A female Gremlin
Flibberty-Gibbet – A young Fifinella
Widget – A young Gremlin
Wofflediget – An aged Gremlin that is said to feed upon Widgets
Again before Spielberg Gremlins were made famous in The Twilight Zone when William Shatner saw one on the wing of his passenger plane ripping the engine apart. Remade later with John Lithgow in the role, and lampooned by both later in an episode of Third Rock From the Sun. Also that Twilight Zone episode was spoofed in the Simpsons.
Gremlins are cool.