Trivia – That last Spitfire is in the vinyl codes WO-L as used in the BBC series ‘Over Here’
Thanks for the update Lynn
Mark12,
Did you know there are two photos of that same Hudson VI, EW942 of 267 Sqn Transport Command, being broken up at Khartoum in the December 1995 issue of Aeroplane Monthly, page 29.
I just happened on it whilst searching for something else and thought I’d check the serial against this thread. Low and behold they matched.
Cheers
Dave
Just going by the colour scheme, is that P40 the former Alpine Fighter Collection P40K that is now owned by Di¢k Thurman?
Or is there another one in that scheme these days?
Well in that case I guess it is ok. I thought it would have been a postwar-applied scheme done by the museum. I stand corrected
Hence the reason why he titled his book “Nine Lives”
One peculiarity for this movie is that there were apparently two versions cut, one shorter for U.S. release and the other a longer one released overseas.
Actually there isn’t anything too peculiar about that. Many, many films were edited for US consumption in those days and before. Particularly British films but I have heard of their own films also being edited. I’m not sure why, shorter attention span? :confused:
One that comes to mind is the awesome British film ‘The Way Ahead’ (1944) was cut down significantly – the film runs for 115 minutes but the US edit (renamed ‘The Immortal Battalion’) was only 91 minutes.
If this was a new found Stirling I think we could find a solution to these minor problems.
Mark
I guess it comes down to importance, and it seems the Vulcan as a type is not considered by most as very important. All I have ever read on this forum about Vulcans is people saying how neglected the survivors are, or photos of them being cut up. So I guess the public at large don’t give a monkeys about what happens to them like they would a Lancaster or as you suggest a Stirling, which the public might get behind to save because they did so much more for the world.
For me, having only ever seen Duxford’s one (unless I saw one at Hendon and have forgotten too), they never struck me as being a particularly interesting aircraft. But then my mate told me I’d think differently if I’d seen one displayed at an airshow. I doubt I’ll ever see that.
It is an appaulling way to treat two Battle of Britain veteran aircraft. I agree with Leslie Hunt’s article too, it should be in the BofB scheme and not the later war one.
That photo looks as if the curators have as little regard for displaying the Spitfire as they would a ceiling fan (which I thought at first was behind it, but what is that behind??)
Well I don’t know the chap, but I wonder if he has made any approaches to the UK military for assistance. I mean it would be a fantastic training and Public Relations exercise if they got some RAF trainees and a few instructors to assist in dismantling it, and the British Army engineers or some transport unit to assist in getting it to where it has to go.
That sort of thing happens here. The Army here builds bridges for people, and transports things when asked, and does all sorts of things you don’t expect an army to do, all in the name of training and PR. I’m sure the UK military must go for similar interesting ideas where they can assist – especially in the case where the cause is saving a piece of military history.
And for all those here who want to spend someone else’s money on an internet-auctioned aeroplane, try this beauty…
http://www.trademe.co.nz/structure/auction_detail.asp?id=21294725
Well I don’t know how the places you mention Jeepman are displaying aircraft, except Lambeth which I’ve visaited and their hanging displays were very good for the visitor – but I wasn’t referring to hanging planes in general. I mean in terms of that photo where it hangs high and ‘faces’ straight at the skirting of the wall. There is no mezzanine floor for viewing it, so all visitors can see is its underside. A stupid way to display such a rare aircraft. It would be better on ground level like the Hendon one, at least it wouldn’t have fallen down if it had been on the ground.
I guess if it was repaired it has lost much of its originality too. Grrrr
Thanks for that info Dan. I’ll look for a copy of the book. Cheers mate.
Yes Don, I was thinking the same thing. Is this the famous ‘Kiwi’ Spitfire? Chances are it isn’t. I think he lost four Spitfires during the BofB alone off the top of my head.
I recall reading his book years ago, a brilliant book. He was bombed on take-off and was buried in his Spitfire upside down on one occasion. Just like in the BofB film!
Dan, no I have not read the book, but I will certainly keep an eye out for it now, thanks. Was the book written before the film? And is it written by a real veteran? Who is the author?
Jules, no I have not yet seen The War Lover either. I will have to try and track a copy down. Cheers.
So it seems at least the opening was indeed Alabama. I’d dount Mr Freeman has it worng – he is to the 8th Air Force what our Mark12 is to Spitfires.
I just put on Roger Freeman’s tape again – he definately states – and I quote “In the opening scene, the former adjutant of a bomber station returns to his wartime haunts. The airfield now deserted and returned to agriculture. This moving opening was actually shot in Alabama, not England, but with remarkable foresight Hollywood was pre-empting history. For in years to come, in ever-increasing numbers the survivors of that air war would return, to view crumbling buildings, pace weedy runways, to reminisce and, perhaps, shed a tear. For an airman cannot return to battlefields in the sky, and the old airfield base becomes the focal point…….”
Great stories Jules, thanks for elaborating.
The low flying story reminds me of something my friend Ron Watts told me. He was a Wing Commander in charge of No. 488 (NZ) Sqn, flying night fighter Mosquitoes. He said one day the squadron’s Intelligence Officer, Les Hunt (later to become a reknowned aviation journalist) asked for a fly. Les didn’t usually go up too often, so Ron decided to put on a show for him.
He said they occassionally went up in the daytime with about four Mossies to do mock attacks on their own airfield, so the gunners who manned the perimeter got some practice in against their planes. So he decided to take Les with him on this type of exercise. He said he flew so fast and so low, he was just above the AA guns and he could see men scattering! Les wanted nothing more than to get out! It really shook him up. Ron thought it was a hell of a joke. They were great mates so there was no comeback afterwards, and Les actually did fly with him again later too.