Eddie, I’m not arguing, just not fully comprehending. The diagram you’ve very skilfully drawn looks like a perfectly acceptable defensive method. But as you indicate that sometimes it was done all the way to the target, I assume you mean it’s like weaving, in case something happened.
What I mean is something different.
A very famous local Lancaster pilot, Roy Calvert DFC and Two Bars, MID, who is now deceased apparently when attacked went into a corkscrew dive. He perfected this manouvre and then went on to teach others in the squadron, and it apparently saved his bacon on many occasions during his 59 ops.Though I never met him personally I have read some of his writings, and his wife recalls all his stories as if they were her own. I first heard of this spiralling corkscrew dive from her, and she indicated the motion he’d always told her by showing me with her hand, a spiralling downward motion, like a coil spring – or realistically a diving barrel roll I guess. Apparently it disoriented the fighters, or they assumed you were going to crash, so they’d usually break off.
I was of course sceptical about it at first (though I knew you could roll and even loop a Lancaster). Then I heard it first hand from a pilot.
I met this other pilot, Gordon Easter, who flew Stirlings. He mentioned the defensive corkscrew so I asked him to demonstrate and he showed a spiral with his hand too. He said that you could really throw the Stirling about when you needed to. It seems incredible, but I believe it. Maybe it just wasn’t in the RAF handbook, but it apparently worked because Roy and Gordon came home.
If you blow the photo up, you can clearly see a black line drawn round the shorts and bottom of his tunic and the shorts and socks lack much contour or shadow. Also the line around the lighning flash looks hand drawn.
And there’s a hazy light patch around his head where it wasn’t trimmed right too.
Try here, Dave: http://www.angelfire.com/film/pearlharbormovies/
Holy cow, there have been masses of films related to the attack. Thanks for the link Daz. I had never heard of “In Harm’s Way” – the Playboy version of the attack. Yikes.
John Ford’s “December 7, 1941” was the one I was thinking of.
I was hoping some forum members may have been present during some of the Tora filming and might share some photos or tales. Was anyone from here there? Or at any of the other Pearl Harbor films?
Last week I was in the local museum and one of the ladies that works there showed me a photo from the late 1920’s or very early 1930’s, of a local rugby team. She pointed out if you look carefully, two of the men in the photo were not actually there when it was taken. They had been “photoshopped” into the finished print, and one had the same body as another man, while the other was squeezed in between two shoulders. It was an original photo from the time, so there was obviously a method of doing this, but I haven’y a clue how. Does anyone know what they did? Did they cut and paste the negatives together or something?
I’m sure this could be the same thing with this photo that Mark posted.
As for all the lack of curves on the Spitfire, it wouldn’t be an airfield decoy mock-up would it? Or has it simply been trimmed poorly during the making of the collage?
Out of interest, which squadron was Evan Mackie with when that photo was taken. I notice his plane is one of those rare special Mk V’s with the six exhausts and uprated engines. The late W/C Dereck ‘Bill’ Kain, formerly of Cambridge, flew one of them in Africa that looked very similar. His was personally coded DK.
How many feature films have been made about Pearl Harbor now actually at the location? I know one was made in 1942-ish by the US Govt using Dautlesses as Japs with a mix of real footage, and ‘From Here To Eternity’, ‘Tora, Tora, Tora’ and ‘Pearl Harbor’. Any others?
In the directors commentary there was mention of several Japanese films about Yamamoto too, which I was surprised to hear, and another film mentioned made in the 1960’s there called Zero Fighter.
Nice Daz,
Those replicas were certainly impressive amassed like that.
I watched my new DVD copy of the film today with the voiceover on it by the director. That is a fascinating extra, lots of information about the film I didn’t know about before. One thing that did puzzle me was the director and his interviewer seemed to intimate that the B17 crash-landing on one wheel was planned for the film. But wasn’t that a total accident and they decided to keep it in because it looked good? I can see them specially filming the preceding shots, written to bring the actual crash into the storyline, but I don’t think the crash was intended. Was it?
There was an interesting list of actors mentioned too who had been considered or approached for the film. One was Rod Steiger, who actually was in the US Navy during the war. I seem to think he may have been at Pearl come to think of it. He was interviewed for the brilliant BBC series ‘Hell In The Pacific’ not long before his death.
Chris – interesting photo (even though you’ve sullied a thread about Tora with a still from that film 😀 ). They do look like Trojans, or maybe something similar. Not surprising really, they used lots of post-war ships too.
Hi Matt,
Thanks for the belated birthday greetings, and same back to you. It sounds like you had a great day.
To the book, that particular library, Hamilton Central Public Library, I am not a member of because I live outside the city and it would cost $100 a tear, so i just go in and use their facilities without taking books out. Also, it was in the reference section so I couldn’t even if I were a member.
However, it might possibly be in the university library – I’ll have a look. If it is, I can certainly scan the photo. Failing that, the book used to be in the Cambridge library. I don’t really use that library any more as it’s tiny compared to the other two I mention, but I can see if they still have it.
I can scan the other wrecks too if I can get the book to a scanner, if anyone is interested.
How is the B24 coming along? Any photos?
Cheers
Dave
Why can the corkscrew manouvre not be described as a spiral dive? The way that veteran pilots have described the manouvre to me, it is pretty much just that.
Just an aside, isn’t the BBMF Dakota in No. 267 Sqn colours? Perhaps they’ve done some research into the squadron.
Thanks guys. They sound like interesting projects.
A pity the Hurricane will only be to taxiing status, but it is nice to know such an early example is being restored.
Are there no other Battle of France aircraft survivors then?
Google is hopeless when it comes to Battle of France, it just brings up Battle of Britain stuff.
I hope you had a good one Chris, many happy returns.
Thanks Phil.
I see what you mean Mark12, perhaps, it’s not an aircraft at all, it may well be an instructional airframe with bits and pieces tacked on. After all, the mechanics could be ground training instructors.
Yes, it’s the scheme that is most famously associated with Al Deere, and that scheme has appeared on many different model decal sheets over many years and seems to be popular.
I’d like to see the BBMF paint the Lancaster in a 75 (NZ) Sqn sheme too but that will probably never happen.