Hi 682al,
A great recording, thanks. Not that one I’d heard before either.
Cheers
Dave
According to the IMDB entry, “The Few” is slated for release in 2006, and is currently being scripted.
Curiously, despite the plot outline stating so, Tom Cruise appears to have been removed from the entry…
Yes I noticed that some time ago that Cruise has disappeared. They must have sat him in a Spitfire and realised the camera cannot see him.
I note the scriptwriter John Logan has a few aviation-related pics to his name already, The Aviator, Tornado, Star Trek (Oh Gawd NOOOOOOOO!!!)
And he wrote Gladiator which is pretty good, as well as The Last Samurai (what’s that like? I haven’t seen it).
If you can’t be bothered to make a film that sticks to the facts why not just make fantasy anyhow–make a story up?
Well, I took a whole paper at university that dealt with that subject. The paper was called History In Film, and we studied many historical films and the contents in them to see how historic films are put together.
Funnily enough even the film makers who strive to make completely accurate historical documents still have problems when it comes to filming it, simply from the logistics of telling a story. You usually have just 3 hours max to tell a huge story, so often parts are omitted, other parts are merged and a few bridging parts are created to make the story flow and the audience get it, whilst still keeping them entertained.
Even some of the most lawded historic films, great historic pieces, have still had to make sacrifices. One that surprised me so much is Ghandi, which was a stunning film and from everything I’ve seen on the man is extremely accurate and probably one of the best portrayals ever of a well known man. But it too had bits made up in it to help the story flow. I didn’t previously know that. Also big areas of his life were left out. Hard to believe in a film almost as long as Attenborough’s Oscar speech!
Even when trying to keep it accurate, often fictitious characters are added into the story to keep it all together. Probably not a good example when I say ‘accurate’ but in Oliver Stone’s ‘JFK’, Kevin Bacon’s critical character was actually not based on any one man at all, but four different real people. It was decided that four similar and mediocre characters giving the same sort of evidence (and thus the same sort of contribution to the film) would have made it too confusing to the viewer so they merged them into one much stronger character.
Again, Morgan Freeman’s character in Spielberg’s ‘Amistad’ was totally fictitious just to give the viewer a notion that there were free well-to-do blacks in socety who were prospering. In fact Amistad was widely pre-publicised as going to be one of the most researched and accurate film ever made, but in truth when it came out they’d made several concessions like that. (It was, for me, one of the most boring film ever made, so the changes didn’t make it more entertaining I can tell you that.)
The other thing too is history is very, very subjective. History can really only be told from a narrow point of view in dramatic film. You might see all different angles of the story but it is usually one or two writers telling you those angles in the end.
The classic saying is ‘History is written by the victors’. In Pearl Harbor the Japanese were clearly the victors. Tora ToraTora is interesting in that it was written and produced by both the victors and the losers. Perhaps this is unique (maybe The Longest Day fits into this too but I’m unsure who wrote it).
No doubt many of the Japanese films about the attack showed it from their victorious angle. The Battle of Britain was made by the winning side. The Germans would probably never amke a film about that battle.
But good old modern Hollywood can’t help breaking the rules and rewriting history so that their side wins, because you cannot have the yanks losing these days, as it’s too much like reality biting I guess. So they rewrote history in PH to look like they were the victors. They also made it look like one of their’s was the saviour of the British in the Battle of Britain – probably the most foolish move in historical film making I’ve ever seen (“HAMMER DOWN!”)
I personally thought the flying scenes in PH were fairly impressive when I first saw it at the cinema – the sound system and big screen helped I guess.
I rmember in editing class the tutor asked what film we’d all seen last. I said PH and he laughed. He said what did you like about it most. I said I liked the flying, hated the script, but the thing that impressed me most was you saw the shells and cordite ejecting from the planes when they were in combat!
Thinking about it now, if that was the most impressive thing, I must have been fooled by the illusion of cinema really, because on reflection the film really was pants, and I should have demanded my 2 and 6 back!
I’ve tried to watch it again on DVD and TV and swithced off almost immediately. Good films aren’t be like that, so this ain’t a good film. I can watch Tora over and over even if it’s old, the first half is a little dull on storyline and the planes don’t eject cordite and shells. It is a million times more accurate and much better made.
As for The Patriot, I went to that at the cinema and thoroughly liked it as an action film. I liked it because I knew nothing about the US vs UK war. I simply liked the story, the acting was pretty good, the action was superb and it was a little different. It was only later I learned what the true story was, that the ‘evil’ British commander was in fact a nice bloke, and Mel’s character was fictitous. He was based on three different people, and the one most used to create him was in fact a murderous criminal, not a great hero.
U571 was also a good action flick if you think of it in the mould of like The Guns of Navarone. The Brits seem very testy about it over the Enigma machine thing, which is fair enough, but I’m sure the Poles have more to grumble about on that one. At least the film did acknowledge the real heroes at the end.
I have to add one last thing, the most brilliant, wonderful, fantastic historic film I have seen in many a year was ‘The Gathering Storm’ about Sir Winston Churchill. Albert Finney deserves a knighthood for that one!! I can’t wait for the sequel… mmm, Battle of Britain from Winnie’s angle…
Now, back to Pearl Har… oh, sorry, I meant Tora, Tora, Tora……
Please, Please, stop talking about that rubbish film and get back to Tora, Tora, Tora.
In those battle scenes in TTT, those Zero fighters flew so low and so close in many scenes. Was this simply achieved by camera angles and lenses, or were they really that dangerously low? Either way, awesome filming and awesone flying.
Andy, did you say they’re doing a Pearl Harbor re-enactment at next year’s Legends? 😀
Dave – heathen! :p
I should imagine the Isaacs Fury (and the Spitfire) would now be classed as classics these days, would they not?
Not in my book (Sorry Daz!).
But I wouldn’t call any scaled down mishapen replica a classic I’m afraid. Interesting, yes. Sometimes a nice substitute if done right, but not a classic.
The original aircraft, now that would be a classic.
And a full sized exact replica, yes, very close to a classic.
Isaacs Fury, nup. To me a waste of an airshow slot. I guess we’re just spoiled these days when there are so many real warbirds on the scene.
Yep, no doubt. Well, it probably convinced their wives!
WIX board is too scary for me. 😀
Do you know Ben Affleck then?
Historically, the USA ex-wartime pilots that first bought these old aircraft as surplus in the 50’s/60’s probably did so because they got a thrill from flying the things, not because they wanted to remember nearly getting killed in them a decade or so before. So, on that basis, yes, they were bought as weekend playthings….which in my book equates it pretty close to an adult’s toy.
Well, in an excellent 1980’s BBC documentary on The Confederate Air Force they said the reasons for that group to buy up old fighters like Mustangs, etc., and restore them to the air were two-fold. One was because they reckoned the Government wasn’t doing enough to preserve the histroic side of things,probably true. So they hoped to get at least one of every US type flying to display to the younger generations.
And the other reason was because they lived in constant fear of war with the Russians. These ex-WWII vets considered their defence forces of the 1960’s so inadequate that they wanted to form their own active air force in case the Reds invaded. In those days the aircraft all had live guns and they were prepared to use them. In fact I’m sure the doco stated that it had become the world’s fifth largest active air force. Not bad.
The enjoyment was probably more a by-product of these initial reasons.
Great diagrams. Thanks.
Just one question, why are all the Lancasters tied together? 😀
Only kidding!!
True, but on the other hand how many have been restored to flying, or at least taxiable, condition over the same period? Be interesting to compare a list of the two categories over say the last twenty years or so.
Indeed. 20 years ago, 1984, here in NZ the warbirds movement consisted of a handful of Harvards and Tiger Moths, and a few dull things like Isaac Furies :rolleyes: A certain P51D was about to take flight with the soon to be new Alpine Fighter Collection, but till then we didn’t have much of a scene.
Now we have some world class flying collections (Wanaka, Omaka, Masterton, Mandeville, Ardmore…), some fantastic museums that were not around in 1984 (especially Wigram & Wanaka,), we’ve had innovation such as the resurgence of the Polikarpov fighters and the LA-9, and as well as a very active warbird scene there is much more to come in NZ.
We have a de Havilland factory, a P40 factory, a Mosquito factory, a load of Spitfires being restored, an Anson in the wings, and apparently two Fireflies are on their way to be restored here too. Awesome.
Yep, so what you’re saying is the plane did not turn right over upside down and over the other side, where they way I understood it these two pilots did turn the plane over on occasions when needed. I might talk to Gordon again and totally clarify it when I get a chance.
I did read once in Flypast or Aeroplane Monthly about a NZ pilot on an RAF squadron who enjoyed looping his Lancaster after every raid on the way home, much to hi crew’s dislike. He had to put both feet on the dashboard to pull her out of the dive and up into the loop! Yikes. Could be the same pilot perhaps?
That’s why lots of the tools on image manipulation programs have anachronistic concepts for what they do.
Cheers!
Yep, virtually everything on the home computer harks back with links to the days pre-computers in one way or another, no matter what progam it is.
And the RAAF’s Ventura too.
Here in NZ Sir Tim Wallis’s ex-birdcage Corsair, a thing of beauty, is now static in some South American museum. 🙁
And there’s the RNZAF’s Avro 626, grounded due to it’s uniqueness so understandable. Plus the Lodestar ‘Flew The Coop’ seems to be back in the coop these days.