I was 17, and I lapped up the films like Battle of Britain and Piece of Cake, because I was just about to join the RNZAF.
I remember wishing that the Air Force would be a little like in the movies, and lo and behold whilst doing my basic trianing, Stephen Grey visited Woodbourne and displayed in Tim Wallis’s Spitfire – the first time I’d ever seen one in the air. So yes, I got my little wish. 😎
Thanks Landyman. Has anyone got more details or facts?
Just one further thought on the ghost Lancaster – was the Duxford Avro York, or any other Yorks, still flying in the 1980’s? How many Yorks still survive? Or is the DX example the only survivor of these wartime leviathans?
Amazingly, this story even made it onto NZ teletext today. (Not sure why, is there no other international news right now? 🙂 )
It says they flew into the field to visit friends for lunch, so I don’t think they just flew into any old field. It was probably the friends’ farm.
This has happened in NZ in the past too.
Can I just ask, what is the story with this Murmansk Lancaster that tested British defences? Was it operated by the RAF? Or by the Soviets? I don’t quite understand. Was it based at Murmansk? Or captured there?
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I’ve not seen that drama, but it sounds brilliant. I want to see it now. I guess the BBMF Lanc featured?
Another I have never seen but sounds equally good was one apparently called ‘The Brylcreem Boys” – a posting on The Mausoleum Club” forum details it. Look here
BBC TV: WWII RAF drama
http://www.the-mausoleum-club.org.uk/xmb/viewthread.php?tid=4607
It sounds very intriguing.
I know anything is possible but a rebuild from 10 rounds?.
I don’t think so. He’s probably already had them in the vice and set them off with a hammer for fun. 🙂
Isn’t it much more likely to have been a Shackleton? After all they were in service and fairly plentuful then. And it seems likely an in-service RAF aircraft would be used to test future secret equipment rather than an obsolete 1940’s bomber that was either built specially in secrecy or held for decades in some secret aircraft haul.
A Shack could easily be mistaken for a Lancaster in the twilight, couldn’t it? Especially if it were modified a bit for this ‘new’ equipment.
As for the quietness of its engines, could a Shack have been fitted with turbo-props? They can be much quieter than piston engines.
Edited for an afterthought – could it have been a Lincoln if not a Shack? Were any still flying with the RAF or BAe in the 1980’s? They are very much like a Lancaster.
Thanks Mark and Alastair,
Very interesting indeed. Had R.101 not crashed a great service would undoubtedly have eventually been formed. Another of those great ‘what if’s.
Cheers
Dave
I’m guessing the wartime shot in the quarry was before the presentation in Sept 1943?
The booklet dates from 1944, so it cannot be more than a few months after it was presented, most likely quite a bit earlier. Surely such a significant airframe would not have been stripped and abandoned so soon after all the fuss of ‘presenting it to the people of Malta’.
What sort of prop is present in your photograph Dave, 2 or 3 bladed? Wonder if the current prop dates from the original ‘patch up’ in 1943 or from later restoration work, they would all have been metal three bladed units when in service I would have thought?
It has a two-blade prop in the handover photo. Judging from the date of your pamphlet you’re undoubtedly correct.
Sir Tim Wallis’s Spitfire TB863 served in 453 Sqn RAAF.
http://www.nzfpm.co.nz/aircraft/mkxvi.htm
The Alpine Fighter Collection has over the years held several 453 squadron reunions I think so the aircraft’s former pilots could be reunited with it. Maybe an email to Ian Brodie at the NZ Fighter Pilot’s Museum will get you the info you seek? You’ll find all the details on the link above.
Yep, Agreed.
I will obviously rely on NZ’s world view from here on in Dave.
Good move mate. 😀
Hey, you know I was talking slightly tongue in cheek I hope. But I am not lying about what I saw in the 1933 papers.
I could say a lot more on your other questions, especially the RNZAF, but I have deleted it out of politeness….
Does the aircraft in the presentation photo look something like the second one Dave?
No, When handed over it was much more complete. In the photo it has an engine, propellor, cowl ring and undamaged tail. Looks kike the vandals got to it afterwards then?
Yes, the 8pm radio report did state it was an engine problem. Clevedon is just down the road from Ardmore so it’ll be a short flight by chopper. I hope they tie it on good and tight. Might be safer to push it home. 🙂
Really? How interesting. I’d go and have a harder look at the 1930s newspapers if I were you. There were quite a lot of people in Britain and the USA and just about anywhere else who either didn’t mind, liked or admired Hitler and what (was known of) the Nazis were up to.
There was quite a substantial lobby in Britain (for instance) who were quite happy to see Hitler carry on. When he turned out to nbe quite as bad as we now know, there was rather a lot of foot shuffling and cover up going on. Hindsights a wonderful thing, but mightly innacurate.
All I can say is the press here in New Zealand were obviously much more far-sighted than those of other western countries, which is often the way with us Kiwis. We have all the brains and none of the power. 😉
What first alerted me to even bother to look at the first article I saw was the headline “Hitler and his Terrorists”. I was surprised to see it was a scathing attack on his policies, and this was in 1933. I saw a number of others after that as I went through the papers, and none were in support of the Nzis or Hitler, that’s for sure. I was stunned that they were talking about the likelihood of another war because of Hitler even then.
I will concede that that some people in the west did think he was the bees knees. Around that same time the Yanks were making him Time Man of the Year – twice. But then there were a lot of Nazi sympathisers in the USA even during the war, some of whom were media moguls.
From what I’ve heard and read the Nazi supporters in Britain under Moseley’s party were not a popular little group either, most normal people seemed to despise the national socialists or fascists from what I’ve come across. But as you say, this may be presented with a hindsight view. Anyway, enough politics. Or as I always like to more accurately term it, bollitics.