Just a further thought. For the younger generations who want a tiny glimpse of what D Day was all about, watch the following:
Saving Private Ryan
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120815/
The Longest Day
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056197/
Band of Brothers
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0185906/
The Big Red One
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080437/
D Day (a new BBC special including interviews and dramatic re-enactments to premier worldwide on 6th of June 2004, not yet seen)
Here are a few more either strongly or losely connected with D Day:
D-Day Remembered (1994 documentary) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109519/
Into The Breach
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0160410/
Return To Normandy
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0306014/
D-Day The Sixth of June (film 1954)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049117/
Ike: Countdown to D-Day (2004 biographical drama starring Tom Selleck !?!)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0401504/
The Americanization of Emily (film aboutweeks before D Day, 1964)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057840/
Where Eagles Dare (1968, fictional film)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065207/
Eye of the Needle (1981, film)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082351/
36 Hours (1964, film)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057809/
Have I missed any important ones?
Or you could also play Medal of Honor 3 on Playstation, which rather accurately recreates the action of landing on one of the American beaches, and goes right through to the battle of Arnhem. A very good game that may be the last form of educational tool for teens in this day and age.
Don’t worry Robl250, it seems that you’re not alone.
I was astounded to read this just now on NZ Teletext:
“Young Britons clueless about D-Day
Almost 75% of young Britons are ignorant about D-Day, according to a Daily Mirror poll.
Of 1000 under-25’s questioned, only 6% correctly answered all seven D-Day questions posed by the paper: What it was, when it took place, where it happened, the leaders at the time of Britain, the United States and Germany, and in which war occurred.
One 20-year-old student who was asked for the date of D-Day said it happened in 1962″
All I can say is, what on earth are they teaching British kids in school? D-Day is the single most important day in the history of the war, in fact of the 20th Century. When I was at school here in NZ in the late 1980’s we were taught all about the war and this included D-Day, Dunkirk, the invasion of Poland, etc.
Aircraft That Took Part
Many Aircraft types took part. As did many nations. New Zealanders took part in the D-Day operations, mainly in the air with many Kiwis in the RAF squadrons that took part, including No 75 (NZ) Sqn which was one of the first Lancaster bomber sqns to raid France beginning the raid, and 485 (NZ) Sqn who’s Spitfire pilots shot down the first enemy planes during the invasion. 486 (NZ) Sqn was also very busy on Typhoons, and 487 (NZ) Sqn with its Mossies and 489 (NZ) Sqn with its Beaufighters all took part.
Some of the aircraft types that took part overall included Spitfires, Typhoons, Lancasters, Stirlings, Mosquitoes, Lightnings, Beaufighters, Dakotas, Halifaxes, Mustangs, Thuderbolts, Mitchells, the list could go on and on. Almost anything servicable on the Allied side seems to have been thrown into the effort. There were of course gliders such as the Horsa and Hamilcar too. And I dare say lots of medium bombers such as Marauders, Bostons etc were all very busy. If you look in any aviation book and see photos of an Allied aircraft with black and white stripes around the fuselage and wings, there’s a very good chance it was active on D-Day.
On the German side there were virtually no aircraft present, having fallen for the bluff that the invasion was elsewhere up the coast. Just a handful of Ju88’s were around, some of which were shot down by the Kiwi Squadron. The first was shot down by Johnnie Houlton in ML407, the Spitfire now flying as a two-seater at Duxford.
The Code Name
D-Day itself is I believe simply a codeword with no relevance to the actual date. It simply means the day it all kicks off. The press were indeed referring to ‘D-Day’ long before it happened, saying “when D-Day arrives…” etc. The thing is the actual hour the invasion (or operation) starts is also coded H-Hour. Not sure if they use M-Minute, but I have definately seen reference to the Paratroopers jumping onto French soil on H-Hour of D-Day.
Further Learning
During the 50th Anniversary there were numerous excellent documentaries made. I hope they trot a few of them out again so the young Brits learn a bit about their heritage, and the most important day in the last 100 years.
May I also suggest you check out an earlier thread I posted with links to some amazing recordings on the BBC site about D Day.
See here
http://forum.airforces.info/showthread.php?t=26081
There is also a Museum of D Day Aviation at Shoreham in Sussex by the way.
Cheers
Dave
Hi Chris,
The Venom was taking off from Ardmore when the engine flamed out on takeoff, and it basically sank back onto the ground, skidding along on its belly, right through the perimeter fence, and across the road – seemingly about two feet in front of a car travelling along the road! A very, very near miss.
Imagine driving along on a country road at a reasoable open road speed and having a jet try to cut you off perpindicularly at high speed! Funnily enough the car appeared in the video to simply keep on going – not sure if it stopped down the road. Maybe the driver blinked and missed the jet go past his bonnet!
Sadly the jet hit a hedge or trees on the other side of the road, which did more damage, and it was written off. I believe that Trevor Bland was unhurt thankfully. Amazingly it was all caught on camera by an amatuer enthusiast – it was on the news and then later released on one of the Aviation Archives videos. I have it on tape somewhere, it showed the aftermath in more detail than the TV did.
And Aside Now – A few Ardmore Incidents
Those paddocks are no strangers to that sort of incident. As a kid Dad lived on the farm at the end of one of Ardmore’s strips throughout and after the war. He remembers Corsairs overshooting and crashing into the surrounding farmland several times. He once saw a crash, the pilot had tried to open the canopy but the impact had slammed it shut and cut the poor pilot’s hands off. Dad remembers picking up one of the hands and it was moving. Gross!
I have tried to find out who this was. Dad thought the pilot died, but I can’t find an exact match of any deaths there in For Your Tomorrow. Perhaps he survived. My grandfather apparently helped rescue a number of other pilots after crashes too, and/or recover their aircraft off his land.
Nana’s brother also crashed at Ardmore. He was flying a Harvard as target tug to some American pilots, and they shot him down! He was ordered to ditch at sea, but he insisted he could save the plane. I think it must have been just an undercarriage problem. He disobeyed the tower and bellylanded on the edge of the airfield. The plane survived remarkably apparently and was servicable again very soon, but he was Court Martialled and sent to Ardmore Military Prison.
Dad often tells of how he and his brother used to sneak onto the airfield and play there. He remembers one of the big hangars was chocka bloc full of gas masks, in readiness to hand out to Auckland if the Japs came closer. And he said one night they were playing in the drain inside the perimeter when a fire engine came round, firing a bren gun into the ditch. Apparently they did this regularly to scare off birds nesting there. He recalls bullets whistling over his head, and thinking nothing of it. The firemen never knew they were there!
And another interesting incident is that they had a short aerial of about two feet long on the top of the house. One time a Corsair was taking off and failed to gain height, and it knocked the aerial off! I had heard this story from Dad and Nana many times as they were in the house at the time and were rather shaken by the low flyer! So I was intrigued to read a very similar story in Bryan Cox’s book Too Young To Die where he described a takeoff where he failed to gain height and very nearly crashed into the house at the end of the runway. I wrote to him in 1992 after reading that and between us worked out it was most probably him in the plane. Funnily enough he and I were both born here in Cambridge.
Very interesting, cheers for all that. Nice Vampire photo by the way.
I remember the first Venom which I loved seeing several times, and I recall seeing it’s rather spectacular crash on TV – I really wonder what the driver of the car it just missed thought! It had the better colour scheme in my opinion too. I saw its remains at Ardmore a few years back. Sad sight. Very glad no-one was hurt, it could have been much worse.
I was mistaken about Mr Bland owning the other Venom, someone told me he’d bought it as a replacement. Interesting how you can be under a misaprehension for years. Nice to be put straight. Thanks. He was the regular display pilot though, wasn’t he?
Cheers
Dave
Kind of related to this thread as it is about the beach code names – I vaguely recall a true story of how three boys nearly blew everything by using the beach code nameslike Utah and Omaha, etc., – which they’d overheard from US soldiers – in crossword puzzles that their teacher made them create as detention. This teacher was submitting the crosswords to a national newspaper, and MI5 or someone noticed the codenames and the teacher was arrested. It was all an innocent misunderstanding, but MI5 thought he was giving secret codes to the mythical Fifth Column.
This story was dramatised really well in 1989 in the BBC’s ‘The Mountain and the Molehill’ See more here http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097920/
Cheers OMFC Fan,
Garth Hogan’s P40 was up for sale, I wasn’t sure if it had been sold or not. Just checked their website and it seems it is still for sale.
http://www.pioneeraero.co.nz/kittyhawk_for_sale.htm
I hadn’t realised a Vampire had gone south. Which one? The one in RNZAF colours or the one in RAAF scheme? And in that case, where is the other one based now then?
Also I hope Trevor Bland’s lovely orange Venom is still around too by the way, I haven’t seen or read about that one for a while now.
Fantastic photos Stieglitz, well done.
I am very unfamiliar with what goes on Warbird-wise in Europe. Are all of these aircraft based in France?
I love the Bf109. Looks beautiful even when undressed.
Did you manage to see the Pioneer Aero hanger at all .You might have seen the OFMC P-40 Kittyhawk being worked on?
OFMC Fan
Ahhh Blast It All. I didn’t know it was even there. Otherwise we would have tried to check it out if anyone had been there. We did consider trying to find Pioneer but decided as it is a business and not a hobby club that no-one would be there on a Sunday afternoon. But maybe we should have perservered. I’m not even sure where Pioneer is situated on the airfield – is it over the other side by Massey and the Tower?
We did take a look at the other resident P40, the one in Australian colours with the Magpie nose art. Not sure who owns it now. Saw the Hunter and half another Hunter in the same hangar, but this lot wasn’t connected with NZ Warbirds – although the mechanics there were also quite welcoming.
The only niggle I have with Ardmore is that the aviation shop doesn’t open on Sundays, which is a shame if that is the day that the Warbirds will be flying and attracting visitors. A pity. I was keen to have a look in there, haven’t been in there for years.
I was thinking afterwards, we didn’t see the Devon, nor the Vampires or any Yaks or Tiger Moths, which always seem to be associated with NZ Warbirds gatherings, as well as Austers, the Cessna Dragonfly and various Vietnam war era light planes, so I assume the Warbirds have other hangarage around the airfield and elsewhere.
But what we did see was fantastic. The Dakota was sitting over by the Tower, and we were told we were welcome to go take a look if we were careful crossing the taxi ways. etc, but we decided not to as we’d both seen it up close many times, and it was chucking it down in bucketfulls by then.
And to top things off on the way home we had a fantastic curry from the always-excellent Mombai Masala in the foodcourt at Mercer – our compulsory stopping point whenever travelling between Cambridge and Auckland – Voted by myself and many well-travelled friends as the best curry purveyors in the world hands down! (Unbelievable when foodcourt food is usually uneatable, but their’s is unbeatable). So all in all a very satisfying and happy day despite the por weather.
That seems like a very good point Mathieu. I think the difficulty would be pinpointing such a wreck, and the depth may be a factor. Underwater currents and water pressure may have had an effect on the aircraft too. But then those Avengers discovered in the Bermuda Triangle looked pretty good after all this time. Where is Dr Robert Ballard when you need him? Imagine seeing a few dozen Seafires or Hurricanes or P40’s etc being winched up still in their protective rubber coating they sometimes used when shipping aircraft. 🙂
Melvyn, an interesting point about the price of Alumnium. I see your point too about the need to use a bulldozer to crush the aircraft. We can’t possibly hope they wheeled the planes into a hole and carefully filled in the dirt around them as if planting a bulb. They would have probably crushed and smashed up the aircraft. They bulldozed a load of Venturas into a gully to build it up level and extend the runway at Hamilton International Airport here in NZ. You’d hardly want the runway to start sinking over time. This is purely my imagination but I envisage perhaps a wrecking ball and heavy dozers flattening the bombers 🙁 – maybe they even filled in and around with concrete? I wonder if the Public Works Dept records detail what really went on.
What is the story about the FW190 under a hangar?
Group Captain Edward Wells, known as Bill, is still alive.
He was the first RAF pilot to encounter Italian fighters (CR42s) during the Battle of Britain.
You might try to contact him via the 485 (NZ) Squadron Association, he may be interested in helping. The association may be able to put you onto others who flew against your Air Force too because many Kiwi pilots went to the Mediterranean theatre of war.
There is a link to the Association on this page
If you listen to the show you’ll find that the scrap dealers stripped all usable metal from the ships and it was merely the hulks that was left. I guess today technology would mean much more of the hulks could be recycled than they were able to in the 1920’s and 1930’s.
As for aircraft, I agree it is senseless, but they certainly did bury them anyway. I guess they didn’t have a need to turn them into pots and pans as rationing continued for many years later. Perhaps someday someone will find a site with the right soil conditions and a restorable wreck will be uncovered. If they can restore crashed aircraft from Russia, I’m sure a buried aircraft in the UK stands a chance.
What an awesomely ugly beast. It seems like a huge step backwards in bomber design. Does the name suggest that perhaps the shape was inspired by Windsor Castle? It’s bulky enough.
It seems that it has a tittle bit of everything mixed in, hints of Stirling, Wellington, Sunderland, Lancaster, York – even the nose looks like a badly scaled up Mosquito nose secton. But they don’t really go well together.
The first photo of it in flight gives an impression that it could be a flying boat. I wonder how well it would have ditched at sea.
Was the designer Barnes Wallis? Perhaps it was this design that had put the war office off when he was trying to get the bouncing bomb approved?
[QUOTE=Stieglitz]It’s always better to aply a authentic sheme than for example the tiger painted mustang we saw some time ago on this forum. QUOTE]
Hey, what are you saying about the Tiger Beer Mustang? That’s how they were flown in the Royal New Zealand Beer Force! 🙂 🙂 🙂
Nice job on the Focke Wulf, it looks great.
Seems to me the first clue is the willingness of the person to tell the stories. Most if not all of the vets I’ve met are quiet and humble men who don’t go out of their way to talk about their wartime experience.
You’re absolutely right about that Dan. In my case upon reflexion, I think my ‘possible imposter’ failed that test too.
Cheers
Dave
Dave you are trouble now, it’s like women – NEVER publish a pilot’s or a woman’s age, they get very embarrassed!
Uh-oh… I didn’t realise display pilots were like actors… Actually, I read his date of birth in a very well known and highly reputable book which is seemingly in every library in New Zealand (except mine I’m afraid) so it can hardly be a secret. The book is the excellent tome ‘Spitfire – The New Zealand Story’ by Gerald S. Morris. It covers practically every Kiwi who ever flew a Spitfire, from wartime combat through to modern day displays – hence the reason Ray is mentioned.
I hope I have not offended Ray Hanna or anyone else by repeating the date here. Sorry.
Dave