This is an interesting one. I have seemingly walked straight into a similar situation in my research into people in my town who were in the RNZAF during the war.
One of the first chaps I interviewed was a pilot in No’s 30 and 31 Sqn RNZAF, flying TBF-1C Avengers at Gisborne, NZ, and then up in the Pacific, or so he says. He told me some wonderful and elaborate stories, all very plausible. And I had not told him that previously I had already done a lot of research into the RNZAF Avenger squadrons when I was in the RNZAF myself. Almost everything he said registered as genuine, and I had no reason to suspect a thing.
Until… when chatting with other veterans and they asked whom I’d already interviewed, his name began to almost regularly get a response along the lines of “Oh him. He talks a lot of bullsh*t”.
I thought these chaps were referring to the fact that he talks a lot. A whole lot, down the Returned Services Association clubrooms. He was a regular there and always spinning tales about this and that, getting on people’s nerves sometimes.
But an old lady then told me her late husband who’d been in the Pacific had told her he was convinced that there were big holes in the stories he told. Her husband had thought this old guy was a liar.
And finally I interviewed another Cambridge chap called Roy who’d been a mechanic on 30 Sqn, and then 30 Servicing Unit which serviced 31 Sqn’s aircraft in the forward area when the aircrews were rotated home. These two units were extremely close knit – 30 Sqn and SU is I believe the only RNZAF Sqn that still has regular annual reunions. So they all knew each other well. And he said that this ‘pilot’ was never on 30 Sqn, and he was convinced not just because he didn’t rememebr him but because he’d been suspicious and asked others in the Sqn, including the CO. None of them had heard of him! Roy told me he’s drunk with the old guy many times over the years, listened to stories that never happened at all, and yet he’s never bothered to mention that he himself was actually on 30 Sqn and can prove beyond doubt that he’s a big fat liar.
So in the end, I am left to decide whether to use his stoires or not. Or investigate further to see what he really did. It’s a little embarrassing for me because if I use everyone else’s stories and not his, he may ask why.
One thing that’s good is most of the people I’ve dealt with either have photos or documents to back up their stories, or may even have already been written about before. But with this one chap, he didn’t have a log book – very unusual for a pilot so proud of his career. And he only had one photo of an Avenger – nothing else – and I could see at a glance it was clearly taken in the late 1950’s just before they retired, long after his service terminated as he moved to Cambridge in 1946.
I hope this hasn’t been too boring.
Dave
I just found this news report. Very sad. One pilot was killed. 🙁 🙁 🙁
Very interesting indeed. Isn’t it true that the Japanese also attempted a copy or licence build of the ME262? Or was this just something they were testing rather than building?
Nice idea Auster Fan. Usually apart from seeing a pilot’s name in print in passing, you only discover more about them in an obituary – which sadly seem all too regular in the UK magazines, often also signalling that along with them, a warbird has also been lost 🙁 .
Such profiles would be interesting, but of course some pilots will be rather modest, and others very private about their activities, despite how much the public may admire them.
Whoops, sorry Bob – glad to hear that. I must have been confused with someone else. He was awesome flying that Shrike.
Good on Bud! Was it a two-seater?
How old was Johnnie Houlton when he flew ML407 over the Normandy beaches for D Day’s 50th anniversary? Now that certainly impressed me, same pilot, plane and place. 🙂
Thanks Martin, interesting indeed. No need to go to any trouble regarding the book, thanks anyway.
I wonder if the Allies had to compensate Swissair for their lost aircraft.
It must have been an odd thing flying from peaceful Switzerland into wartorn Germany with allied bombs falling all around, etc
[QUOTE=Flood]Its a model of a Yale. QUOTE]
Well this has confused me. I was thinking that the Yale was the NA-64, rather than this NA-57. Then I found this site which lists NA products – it seems a load of their designs were called Yale, so I guess there are all different types of Yale.
http://www.worldmiltair.co.uk/lists/ddddd/aaaadaaaaf.htm
Nice links by the way Flood, thanks. Some interesting photos. How many Yales survive? Are there loads of them like the Harvard? And do any of these French/German examples exist in museums or fly?
I took a look at the thread just a few hours ago. Didn’t see anything offensive there, so I don’t know why it has been removed. Just a lot of talk about the fact the aircraft should be called a P51B instead of a P51C, etc., and its original provenance. And a few nice pictures of the plane too. Can anyone enlighten us as to why the thread has disappeared please?
Interesting, thanks guys. Sorry about my spurious earlier posting about the rank of Colour Sergeant not being in the Army any more, I was going by what I’d read on websites rather than real experience like many of you chaps.
Thanks for the excellent photos Andrew, I had forgotten what a fantastic museum that place is. I thoroughly enjoyed my visit there in 1996, and I was pleasantly surprised when i came across the aviation hall as I hadn’t realised till then they had all these lovely (and mostly rare) aircraft. The rest of the museum is fascinating too, and I loved all the scale models from farm tractors to Nelson’s death scene.
Didn’t they also have a Sopwith Camel or Pup there too somewhere? Or am I confusing this place with the IWM in Lambeth?
Haha, Daz destroys a Buchon with his Isaacs Spitfire! lol
My brother was one. With the Greenjackets.
Pronounced “Colour Sarnt” 😉
We also have a rank of Lieutenant. Pronounced “Leftenant”, Not to be confused with the American equivalent of “Loo Tenant” which is presumably somebody who rents space in a gentleman’s cloakroom?
(Freindly transatlantic ribbing, driven by contact with Mr Patterson) 🙂 🙂 🙂
Moggy
Good one Moggy, made me giggle. Does that mean that a Left-Tenant is an Australian who lives in an elevator? 🙂
Who are the Greenjackets attached to? Is that Army?
Cheers
Dave
Thanks everyone, I must have been mistaken – happens when you skim something, half take it in, and then don’t think about it till a few days later.
Still an interesting one anyway so thanks for the replies. I am still interested to know how the Swiss got on for travelling round Europe and beyond, how much freedom or restrictions they had, if anyone knows.
Cheers
Dave
The equivalent rank of a Flight Sergeant in the Army is a Staff Sergeant (referred directly to as ‘Staff’).
A Colour Sergeant, not color, originally referred to a soldier with the rank of a normal Sergeant who was in charge of a Colour (ie a Regimental flag) on the battlefiield, and this rank stems back to 1813.
By World War One the rank was superceded by Company Sgt Major – which in turn became a Warrant Officer rank which is today Warrant Officer Class II.
Today the rank of Colour Sergeant apparently lives on however in the Royal marines, but has equivalent rank of a Staff Sgt, one up the ladder from Sgt, and down one from WOII.
I believe that NCO pilots were also allocated personal aircraft. Bryan Youn talks about his own Spitfire in his book ‘Beckoning Skies’. He was a Sgt Pilot.
As an aside – He was allocated a brand new Spitfire when his Squadron was moving from Italy across to India, and when he flew it that distance the aircraft developed so many problems that when he got there he took it to a maintenance unit to scrap it – it was going to be reduced to spares. It must have been assembled on a Friday afternoon. So he had to be allocated another one in order to rejoin the squadron. I wonder how many brand new aircraft were such dogs they only flew for a tiny amount before being dissassembled and either rebuilt or used as parts.
The thing is pilots may have had their allocated or ‘preferred’ aircraft in the squadron but they never really had exclusive rights to it, and often if it underwent maintenance they’d fly someone elses, and vice versa someone else might fly their aircraft if they needed a spare one.